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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by John of Japan, May 24, 2016.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    So he would have seen those references as being to Yahweh Himself? Would you recommend it?
     
    #81 Yeshua1, Mar 3, 2017
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    That's evidence against, but I don't think it's conclusive (and you've not claimed that), because said terminology would be less relevant to the subject matter of Hebrews . Luke and Acts both describe what might be called "medical miracles" and also executions. The closest to that in Hebrews seems to be the martyred faithful of Ch. 11.
     
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    That would be a point to favor Luke....
     
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    Point taken.
     
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    Think Origen had it best, God alone knows!
     
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    Paul.

    Heb 10:34 For you both had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your possessions, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and an enduring one in the heavens.

    That subject, that Christianity is superior to Judaism, is a favorite one with Paul (compare 2 Corinthians 3:6-18 ; Galatians 3:23-25 ; Galatians 4:1-9 Galatians 4:21-31).

    Christ appears in Hebrews 1:3 cf Philippians 2:6 of the Deity. His lowering of Himself for man's sake similarly, compare Hebrews 2:9 exaltation, compare Hebrews 2:8 1 Corinthians 15:25 1 Corinthians 15:27 compare Hebrews 8:6 represented as the sacrifice for sin prefigured by the Jewish sacrifices, compare Romans 3:22-26 ; 1 Corinthians 5:7.

    The phrase, "God of Peace," is peculiar to Paul, compare Hebrews 13:20 ; Romans 15:33; 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (Margin), 1 Corinthians 12:4 appears in Hebrews 11:7 ; 10:38 Romans 1:17 ; 4:22 ; 5:1 ; Galatians 3:11 ; Philippians 3:9.

    Christians are children needing milk, that is, instruction in the elements, whereas riper Christians, as full-grown men, require strong meat, compare Hebrews 5:12 Hebrews 5:13 ; 6:1 Galatians 4:9 ; Colossians 3:14.

    Boldness of access to God by Christ, compare Hebrews 10:19 Romans 5:2 ; Ephesians 2:18 ; 3:12 compare Philippians 1:30 ; Colossians 2:1.

    Hebrews 12:1 service, Romans 9:4 bondage, Hebrews 2:15 Paul's style appear in this Epistle; namely, a propensity "to go off at a word" and enter on a long parenthesis suggested by that word, a fondness for play upon words of similar sound, and a disposition to repeat some favorite word.

    Frequent appeals to the Old Testament, and quotations linked by "and again," compare Hebrews 1:5 ; Hebrews 2:12 Hebrews 2:13 Romans 15:9-12 Hebrews 2:8 quoted in a form not agreeing with the Septuagint, and with the addition "saith the Lord," not found in the Hebrew, in Hebrews 10:30 ; Romans 12:19.

    The personal notices all favor its Pauline authorship, namely, his intention to visit those addressed, shortly, along with Timothy, styled "our brother," Hebrews 13:23 his formerly having been imprisoned in Palestine, according to English Version reading, Hebrews 10:34 to them from believers of Italy, Hebrews 13:24 the name may be the rhetorical character of the Epistle which led the author to waive the usual form of epistolary address.
    JFB - Introduction

    Well, that and the title page in my bible says "The Epistle of Paul to the Hebrews." :D
     
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    Think that its style would be better seen as being the theology of paul put down in words of Luke, same way Peter was behind Gospel of Mark!
     
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    Some have noted a parallel or comparison between the three of 1 Corinthians 13:13 [faith, hope, and love] to the same three in Hebrews 10:22-24 [faith, v. 22; hope, v. 23; love, v. 24].

    At 1 Corinthians 13:13, they are clearly identified as “these three,“ not as these two with “faith” and “hope” referring to the same thing or being synonyms. While clearly present in the Greek, this parallel is missing in the KJV.

    In 1659, Robert Gell wrote: "And let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, (the [KJV] translators turn it [faith] which should be turn'd [hope,] according to all Greek copies, I have yet seen. Beside, the apostle in verses 22, 23, 24 hath the three theological graces, in their order)" (Essay, p. 525). Alfred Dewes wrote: “In the three consecutive verses the three graces of faith, hope, and love are introduced; but the translation fails to represent them” (Plea, p. 13). In 1866, Henry Alford (1810-1871) asserted: “We have here an extraordinary example of the persistence of a blunder through centuries. The word ’faith,’ given here by the A. V., instead of hope--breaking up the beautiful triad of vv. 22, 23, 24,--faith, hope, love,--was a mere mistake, hope being the original, without any variety of reading, and hope, being accordingly the rendering of all the English versions previously to 1611” (New Testament for English Readers, Vol. 2, p. 706). In his commentary on Hebrews, Donald Guthrie maintained that “10:22 mentions faith, 10:23 refers to hope, and 10:24 to love” (p. 56).

    The same three graces [faith, love, hope] are also found in Colossians 1:4-5, 1 Thessalonians 1:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:8, and Galatians 5:5-6.
     
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