George Antonios
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That was in the table also...are you reading the table?
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There is no strong case for a 7 year tribulation
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That was in the table also...are you reading the table?
timtofly
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Did Satan give us Common Sense? We should not rely on that either then.
timtofly
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All those in Christ, who have physically died.
Probably. The mountain formed by the stone that demolished the clay and iron toes, has happened. No more future "government" except Satan's is future. That is avoidable if the church would take their head out of the sand of a coming Antichrist. An Antichrist is Satan's sand castle that the church is currently "promoting". Really people? We are still building the mountain, and no more governments left to squash.
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Alan Gross
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George Antonios
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Alan Gross
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Symbolically
It has a symbolic interpretation, like every other number and practically every other word in The Book of Revelation.
It means, "a seemingly endless period of time" that nevertheless has an eventual Ending Point.
It is the same Period and equal to several other numbers for days and a number for weeks and, "The Day of Salvation", etc.
The "1,000" is The Inter-Advental Period.
Each of the Seven Visions cover that same "1,000 years" time period.
Then, each one, after the other, reinerates a Revelation, of one and the same Period of Time, in more detail.
We are in that "church age", New Testament Age, now, which begans "a thousand years", with Jesus' Acsention and Ends with His Return.
That is when the 1,000 years Ends.
We are in The End Times.
An inconsistent, fatally structured ( reading Revelation straight through, instead of seeing The Seven Spirits and seven composite churches Teachings book as a Hermeneutic and taking each vision separately, cover the same "1,000 years" = Inter-Advent) results in all the flawed guesswork you see in the replies, here,. They are Wild, and not Bible.
No "trib" thing, "mill" thing anymore than an Elf on a Shelf is alive, etc.
Once the correct interpretation, from the appropriate interpretation methods, is seen, the other schemes become Satanic, in origin.
Just like The Lord's churches vs those initiated by man, to start the Catholic nutcase or Prodestant 'one big church' thing that is not in The Bible, either, etc.
It has a symbolic interpretation, like every other number and practically every other word in The Book of Revelation.
It means, "a seemingly endless period of time" that nevertheless has an eventual Ending Point.
It is the same Period and equal to several other numbers for days and a number for weeks and, "The Day of Salvation", etc.
The "1,000" is The Inter-Advental Period.
Each of the Seven Visions cover that same "1,000 years" time period.
Then, each one, after the other, reinerates a Revelation, of one and the same Period of Time, in more detail.
We are in that "church age", New Testament Age, now, which begans "a thousand years", with Jesus' Acsention and Ends with His Return.
That is when the 1,000 years Ends.
We are in The End Times.
An inconsistent, fatally structured ( reading Revelation straight through, instead of seeing The Seven Spirits and seven composite churches Teachings book as a Hermeneutic and taking each vision separately, cover the same "1,000 years" = Inter-Advent) results in all the flawed guesswork you see in the replies, here,. They are Wild, and not Bible.
No "trib" thing, "mill" thing anymore than an Elf on a Shelf is alive, etc.
Once the correct interpretation, from the appropriate interpretation methods, is seen, the other schemes become Satanic, in origin.
Just like The Lord's churches vs those initiated by man, to start the Catholic nutcase or Prodestant 'one big church' thing that is not in The Bible, either, etc.
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George Antonios
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i.e. "God doesn't mean what he says so I'm going to make him mean whatever I want".
#2 in my signature. Classic.
1689Dave
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The table is a false prophecy. Proven by this.
Please re-consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
Daniel said; “And in the days of these kings [Old Roman Empire] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Daniel 2:44 (NCPB)
“And [Jesus] saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)
“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)
“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)
“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)
“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)
“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)
“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
“For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.” Psalm 22:28 (NCPB)
George Antonios
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Hunh?
1) The table is not about prophecy.
2) I don't deny the spiritual aspect of the kingdom.
1689Dave
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Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom. This makes a physical kingdom impossible.
George Antonios
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You seem to be fusing verses and contexts together. Please quote the verse and tell how that proves your point. Thanks.
I am post-trib. I await the Blessed Hope. Dispensationalism is only about 200 years old. Preterism dates to the Reformation and is a Jesuit idea to defend Pope Leo X
Oh, Dave, thanks for the discussion! Daniel listed 5 empires: gold, silver, bronze, iron, and iron mixed with clay--did I get that right?
George Antonios
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Right, I was just showing you that the mocked idea of a "waiting room" and "safe space" is actually Biblical.
37818
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Huh. Acts of the Apostles 5:1-3, 2 Corinthians 11:14, 1 Peter 2:8.
Naw, it is a privilege to suffer for Jesus....Anti-Christ will issue an edict but it will be our job to evade. Head for the hills. Don't even go back inside your house for anything. The Israelis will find safe harbor at Petra. God Bless You!
A couple of issues I have with post-trib is America's role in a post-trib scenario. We are Israel's stalwart Ally for the last several decades and nearly half of those believed to be Jews currently reside in the USA.
In a pre-trib scenario, it is a lot more feasible for the USA to betray Israel with the Christians removed. And the presence of so many secularized and liberalized Jews in America that despise and undermine a conservative leaning Israel.
Very interesting! Personally, I think that the USA must pay off their debts in order to survive as the world leader. We have both foreign and domestic enemies, as you know. Jacob will flee to Petra, which is off limits to the Anti-Christ. American Jews just might take the mark of the beast.
Your comment is very interesting.
timtofly
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Which creed denies the Pharisees?
timtofly
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Satan did not change the Bible. That is spiritual Common Sense.
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