Featured There is no strong case for a 7 year tribulation

If only the born again can see the kingdom, how is it you still preach Phariseeism's physical Kingdom? Perhaps the big problem is that only petty few are born-again?

 

Explain to me exactly what you understand see the kingdom to mean and how that negates the kingdom having a physical aspect? Keep in mind that no one denies the spiritual aspect of the kingdom.
Maybe I can then better answer you because I don't understand where you see the problem.

And stop doubting the salvation of every one that disagrees with you.

 

It's when you add the Pharisees millennial kingdom that you reject Christ who taught against it.

 

Oh, I don't disagree with the Bible but I disagree with your version of history regarding the 10 kingdoms. I seem to have misplaced the book, chapter, and verse of the condemnation of premillennialism in the creeds. Maybe you will be so kind as to list it for me?

 

You need to know the history before you can call others ignorant. Prove Stacy wrong in what I've quoted. Then speak give your version.

 

I don't recall using the word "ignorant", do you? I have shown that Stacy was wrong in calling the Vandals a nation unless you are talking about the bunch in Portland. And the Saxon also were just a tribe who were pushed out of Germany and took rafts with the old lady and the cow to England where they lived in stick houses--never in all of history a nation. I suppose that I could look into the other groups but I have a hunch that there may be just another tribe in that list. As for the Huns, they were hardly part of a European federation as they swept out of the east as nomadic, raiders, conquerors, but their power was short-lived. Nice try.

 

10 kingdoms emerged from the fall of Rome. Name them.

 

You haven't explained how John 3:3 disannuls the fact that the kingdom has a physical aspect as well as a spiritual one. You're just repeating the accusation.
The problem of the Pharisees was not that they expected a physical kingdom, it was that they rejected and/or ignored the spiritual aspect of the kingdom [righteousness (Ro.14:17), repentance (Mt.3:2)] that came with it.
Upon their rejection, they lost the prospect of the physical kingdom - for now (John 18:36) [that's not Christ teaching against it, that's Christ saying: "the physical kingdom has gone into mystery form because of your unbelief"] and all that was left was the spiritual aspect, which spiritual aspect was given to the church instead. That partial truth, that the kingdom has a spiritual aspect, is seen of you as the whole truth. The fact that there is a present spiritual aspect to the kingdom does not disannul the future physical aspect.

You see, you mock the Pharisees but you're doing the same thing:

• In their Jewish bias they could only see the physical aspect of the kingdom and rejected the spiritual aspect.
• In your Gentile bias you can only see the spiritual aspect of the kingdom and reject the physical one.

• They overlooked the 1st coming
• You overlook the 2nd coming

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

 

It's future. The kingdom of clay and iron belongs to the Anti-Christ. It will be one kingdom made up of ten countries such as the EU, which is now busting up.

 

I'm pretty sure Revelation 20 explicitly states 1,000 years....

 

Well, also states time period between 2 resurrections there!

 

And those looking for an Antichrist, will just die of boredom when he never shows up?

 

Where in the Bible does God use conspiracy? It is humans who conspire against God and God's Word. It is called heresy. The tribulation is not Satan's plan. The last 2500 years has been Satan's plan. The church was launched against this spiritual wickedness in high places. The church has failed many times in the last 1990 years, by playing the harlot, instead of just obeying the Great Commission.

The Tribulation is the final harvest and the completion of Adam's punishment on Adam's descendants. All will die in this harvest. The church is taken out first, because the church contains those glorified and totally restored into Adam's Paradise, the Garden of Eden. It is now the temple of God per Revelation 7. The church will be with God, until this temple comes down as the New Jerusalem, after the last Millennium is completed per God's plan in Revelation 20. The New Jerusalem is part of the next reality, not this current one.

 

So the Roman Empire must happen all over again because you cannot understand that Jesus fulfilled the 70 weeks? Where does scripture give your view?

 

But Jesus says his kingdom comes without observation.

 

Why do we need to repeat Rome? We are in a waiting period.

 

Because his kingdom comes during the time of the Roman Empire. That's why false prophets say there will be a restored Roman Empire when scripture does not.

 

Basically, yes, since the scriptures actually say so, only the verses are addressed to tribulation believers, not church age believers but we can still apply the principle to us as Paul often did, especially since Isaiah 26 is also the chapter that prophesied Christ's resurrection as well as that of the many bodies of the saints which arose with him and thus the beginning of the church age and since there are 2 raptures, not 1 (one of the church before the trib and another of trib saints during the trib) :


Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

• First coming with Second coming also in the background.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

• The "special waiting room", the "safe space", until the tribulation (indignation) is over in a little moment (7 years).

Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

• The 2nd coming at the end of the tribulation.

 

That was dealt with in the very first section of the table:



So he also said the kingdom will be seen to come. We must take all that Christ has said, not only part.

 

But, Jesus says the kingdom is within you. Fat chance of your Pharisee kingdom ending up there.