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This is Must Reading On the KJVO Position!

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George Antonios

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God is inerrant. God's word is inerrant. The readers of God's word are not inerrant. Translations of God's word are not inerrant. The known varants, the ones that vary from God's originally given word, are not God's word.

The following verses say nothing about the KJB, but they teach that a copy, and sometimes a translated copy, can be given by inspiration of God: Luke 4:21, John 5:39, Acts 8:32, Acts 8:35, Acts 17:2, Acts 17:11, Acts 18:24, Acts 18:28, Romans 15:4, Romans 16:26, 2Timothy 3:15, 1Peter 2:6, 2Peter 1:20.
 

George Antonios

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IF the Kjv 1611 was a perfect work, why where there thousands of corrections and fixes made to it afterwards?

Ok, evidently, like @Logos1560, you are not reading my words when you answer.
Did you not read when I said:
"The following verses say nothing about the KJB, but they teach that a copy, and sometimes a translated copy, can be given by inspiration of God: Luke 4:21, John 5:39, Acts 8:32, Acts 8:35, Acts 17:2, Acts 17:11, Acts 18:24, Acts 18:28, Romans 15:4, Romans 16:26, 2Timothy 3:15, 1Peter 2:6, 2Peter 1:20." ?!
 

37818

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That is true, but KJVO cannot accept that!
There is a spectrum of KJVOism. The problem begins with modernism. The CT translations are a problem. RSV, ASV, NASB, NIV. The NKJV shares in the problem.

I was using the NKJV for awhile. The more I used it, the more I disliked it. The KJV is currently the better choice.

It is a text by text issue. Even the KJV. The KJV textual issues are fewer than the modern translations in the NT. The NKJV has the same as the KJV plus new ones.
 

George Antonios

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There is a spectrum of KJVOism. The problem begins with modernism. The CT translations are a problem. RSV, ASV, NASB, NIV. The NKJV shares in the problem.

I was using the NKJV for awhile. The more I used it, the more I disliked it. The KJV is currently the better choice.

It is a text by text issue. Even the KJV. The KJV textual issues are fewer than the modern translations in the NT. The NKJV has the same as the KJV plus new ones.

You see the problem with such an approach is that there are more opinions than opiniators on this topic.
Somewhere along the line (around the 1880s to be precise) Christians gave up on faith and the supernatural nature of the words of God in preservation and translation and transmission. Christianity, at least Western Christianity, has today adopted a naturalistic view of preservation. And that's the problem.
 

Yeshua1

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Ok, evidently, like @Logos1560, you are not reading my words when you answer.
Did you not read when I said:
"The following verses say nothing about the KJB, but they teach that a copy, and sometimes a translated copy, can be given by inspiration of God: Luke 4:21, John 5:39, Acts 8:32, Acts 8:35, Acts 17:2, Acts 17:11, Acts 18:24, Acts 18:28, Romans 15:4, Romans 16:26, 2Timothy 3:15, 1Peter 2:6, 2Peter 1:20." ?!
Inspiration only applies to the Apostles themselves!
 

Yeshua1

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There is a spectrum of KJVOism. The problem begins with modernism. The CT translations are a problem. RSV, ASV, NASB, NIV. The NKJV shares in the problem.

I was using the NKJV for awhile. The more I used it, the more I disliked it. The KJV is currently the better choice.

It is a text by text issue. Even the KJV. The KJV textual issues are fewer than the modern translations in the NT. The NKJV has the same as the KJV plus new ones.
You should really read that book linked earlier about KJVO sect by Dr Price!
 

tyndale1946

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Inspiration only applies to the Apostles themselves!

Since when?... You need to think again!... Brother Glen:)

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 

Yeshua1

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You see the problem with such an approach is that there are more opinions than opiniators on this topic.
Somewhere along the line (around the 1880s to be precise) Christians gave up on faith and the supernatural nature of the words of God in preservation and translation and transmission. Christianity, at least Western Christianity, has today adopted a naturalistic view of preservation. And that's the problem.
Actually, Eramus and others like Luther were textual critics, so those who are using textual criticisms are not denying God or are atheists, as those on the Esv, Nas, Niv translation teams were just as saved as those on 1611 team!
 

Yeshua1

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Since when?... You need to think again!... Brother Glen:)

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Inspiration is to who else then
 

Yeshua1

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There is a spectrum of KJVOism. The problem begins with modernism. The CT translations are a problem. RSV, ASV, NASB, NIV. The NKJV shares in the problem.

I was using the NKJV for awhile. The more I used it, the more I disliked it. The KJV is currently the better choice.

It is a text by text issue. Even the KJV. The KJV textual issues are fewer than the modern translations in the NT. The NKJV has the same as the KJV plus new ones.
I know of no Christian doctrines affected by Nas.Esv.Nkjv do you?
 

Yeshua1

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Since when?... You need to think again!... Brother Glen:)

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The Originals by their hands were only inspired ones!
 

Logos1560

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Humanism on display: all philosophy and no Bible. All man-centered arguments and no place for God's supernatural work.
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Your bogus, man-centered allegations are false.

My correct statements properly asserted God's supernatural work concerning the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles. Thus, it is a complete falsehood do claim that there is no place for God's supernatural work in my scripturally-based observations.
 

Yeshua1

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Your bogus, man-centered allegations are false.

My correct statements properly asserted God's supernatural work concerning the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles. Thus, it is a complete falsehood do claim that there is no place for God's supernatural work in my scripturally-based observations.
God did preserve His words to us in the Greek/Hebrew texts, but did not inspire translation teams!
 
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