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This shot and my view:

I agree with the following:

  • The govt should make you get the shot

  • The government has the right to prevent you from any building if you dont get the shot

  • The govt should give prizes for getting the shot

  • The govt should require a business to have separate sections for those with the shot

  • A business should be allowed to make their own rules

  • A business should be required to have free masks available

  • allow business charge more 4 not shots to attend a spectator activity as less seats can be sold

  • None of the above


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Reynolds

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I do not know that you are getting the truth either way. Like I said, there is just too much competition for our minds.
The govt definitely will not give us the truth.
Do you have a theory as to why FDA will not perform the double blind vaccine/autism study?
 

JonC

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The govt definitely will not give us the truth.
Do you have a theory as to why FDA will not perform the double blind vaccine/autism study?
They do not do "double blind vaccine/ autism studies" because there have been no link established between vaccines and autism. Why perform it on the COVID vaccine when they don't for other vaccines.

Until a link is established there is no need for a study.
 

Reynolds

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Because they do not do "double blind vaccine/ autism studies" as there have been no link established between vaccines and autism.
Congress ordered it.
Remember, double blind is all that matters on medicine FDA and CDC don't recommend. The link has been statistically established. FDA refuses medical trials to confirm or refute.
Why They withholding info from congress I mentioned in link above?
 

JonC

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They do not do "double blind vaccine/ autism studies" because there have been no link established between vaccines and autism. Why perform it on the COVID vaccine when they don't for other vaccines.

Until a link is established there is no need for a study.
Please provide a link of Congress ordering a double blind vaccine/ autism study on the COVID vaccine.
 

Reynolds

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Please provide a link of Congress ordering a double blind vaccine/ autism study on the COVID vaccine.
Look at the committee hearings transcripts that established reporting. Pretty plain that's what they wanted.
 

Wingman68

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Would love to see who voted for the first three options, just to confirm what I already know.
 
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just-want-peace

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I do not know that you are getting the truth either way. Like I said, there is just too much competition for our minds.

I'm pushing 85, and I can remember when I thought that "if the gov't says it, it's gotta be true"!
"Bout the time of early teens I began to see the differences in what gov't said, & what gov't did", so I have been very reluctant to believe ANYTHING coming from gov't since then.
I've seen nothing lately except confirmation of my skepticism!:Frown:Devilish:Mad
 

JonC

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Look at the committee hearings transcripts that established reporting. Pretty plain that's what they wanted.
Post where Congress ordered "double blind vacvine/ autism studies".

Like you said, Congress is corrupt. So I would not be amazed if they followed whatever their supporters want.

BUT historically thise studies were not conducted (even though some wanted it for the flu and measles vaccines) because there has nor been a link established between vaccines and autism.

It would be like me demanding a double blind vaccine study to make sure the vaccine will not turn people into flesh eating zombies.
 

JonC

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I'm pushing 85, and I can remember when I thought that "if the gov't says it, it's gotta be true"!
"Bout the time of early teens I began to see the differences in what gov't said, & what gov't did", so I have been very reluctant to believe ANYTHING coming from gov't since then.
I've seen nothing lately except confirmation of my skepticism!:Frown:Devilish:Mad
Isn't it strange...I only find the opposite.
 

Reynolds

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Post where Congress ordered "double blind vacvine/ autism studies".

Like you said, Congress is corrupt. So I would not be amazed if they followed whatever their supporters want.

BUT historically thise studies were not conducted (even though some wanted it for the flu and measles vaccines) because there has nor been a link established between vaccines and autism.

It would be like me demanding a double blind vaccine study to make sure the vaccine will not turn people into flesh eating zombies.
Did you look at the link to the lawsuit. You look at the hearings that were involved in enacting the statute? I saw Bigteee lay out his entire case on TV. Pretty plain to me what congress intended. NONE of it was done.
 

JonC

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Did you look at the link to the lawsuit. You look at the hearings that were involved in enacting the statute? I saw Bigteee lay out his entire case on TV. Pretty plain to me what congress intended. NONE of it was done.
I'm not going to read through a lawsuit....it was silly for all those eople to demand double blind vaccine autism studies for the measles and flu vaccines to begin with.

We should not waste money on research without a purpose except dismissing irrational fears.

First there needs to be a link established between vaccines and autism. But there has not been such evidence.
 

JonC

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Vaccines do not cause autism.
Some people have had concerns that ASD might be linked to the vaccines children receive, but studies have shown that there is no link between receiving vaccines and developing ASD. In 2011, an Institute of Medicine (IOM) report on eight vaccines given to children and adults found that with rare exceptions, these vaccines are very safe.

A 2013 study added to the research showing that vaccines do not cause ASD. The study looked at the number of antigens (substances in vaccines that cause the body’s immune system to produce disease-fighting antibodies) from vaccines during the first two years of life. The results showed that the total amount of antigen from vaccines received was the same between children with ASD and those that did not have ASD.

COVID-19 vaccines are not being given to children at the age of concern (a very important note). The COVID-19 vaccine is only approved for age 12 and up so far.


The "we need an autism study" is just a scare tactic to people already afraid of vaccines.
 

Reynolds

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I'm not going to read through a lawsuit....it was silly for all those eople to demand double blind vaccine autism studies for the measles and flu vaccines to begin with.

We should not waste money on research without a purpose except dismissing irrational fears.

First there needs to be a link established between vaccines and autism. But there has not been such evidence.
Do you like numbers?
Look at the rise in autism and the vaccine schedule. Autism rates rose significantly as vaccines were added to the schedule.

Bigteee has copies of the orig submissions for approval to FDA for MMR vaccine. As one of the observed side effects in trials, it lists neurological disorders.
 

JonC

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Do you like numbers?
Look at the rise in autism and the vaccine schedule. Autism rates rose significantly as vaccines were added to the schedule.

Bigteee has copies of the orig submissions for approval to FDA for MMR vaccine. As one of the observed side effects in trials, it lists neurological disorders.
I do like numbers. It is "bad science" to simply link the rise in autism to the rise in an arbitrarily chosen trend.

Asthma has risen even faster than autism. Is it vaccines (no, scientists often attribute the rise in asthma to environmental issues).

The number of cars has risen even more than the increase of vaccines. Maybe cars cause autism?
 

Reynolds

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I do like numbers. It is "bad science" to simply link the rise in autism to the rise in an arbitrarily chosen trend.

Asthma has risen even faster than autism. Is it vaccines (no, scientists often attribute the rise in asthma to environmental issues).

The number of cars has risen even more than the increase of vaccines. Maybe cars cause autism?
They could. It could. Do you have large numbers of people saying their normal kid ran a fever after walking by a car and had diminished mental capacity from that point on. Do the study on Vaccines and autism. Very simple to do.
I had a vaccine injury. I remember it well. According to my parents and both sets of grandparents, my behavior and personality significantly changed immediately after I ran the 104 degree fever from the vaccine. No question vaccine caused the fever. My leg fro injection site down to my foot started hurting like crazy a couple hours after vaccine. Fever started that night.
 

JonC

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They could. It could. Do you have large numbers of people saying their normal kid ran a fever after walking by a car and had diminished mental capacity from that point on. Do the study on Vaccines and autism. Very simple to do.
I had a vaccine injury. I remember it well. According to my parents and both sets of grandparents, my behavior and personality significantly changed immediately after I ran the 204 degree fever from the vaccine. No question vaccine caused the fever. My leg fro injection site down to my foot started hurting like crazy a couple hours after vaccine. Fever started that night.
Yes. My son had a couple of friends who had severe issues from car exhaust.

One thing you are missing is that vaccines are expected to produce a reaction. That is what they do.
 

Reynolds

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Yes. My son had a couple of friends who had severe issues from car exhaust.

One thing you are missing is that vaccines are expected to produce a reaction. That is what they do.
I know that. People like you deny those reactions can cause permanent damage.
 

JonC

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I know that. People like you deny those reactions can cause permanent damage.
Who has denied those reactions? The CDC offers these common side effects:
  • Pain
  • Redness
  • Swelling
  • Tiredness
  • Headache
  • Muscle pain
  • Chills
  • Fever
  • Nausea
With this advise:

Side effects after your second shot may be more intense than the ones you experienced after your first shot. These side effects are normal signs that your body is building protection and should go away within a few days.

In most cases, discomfort from pain or fever is a normal sign that your body is building protection. Contact your doctor or healthcare provider:

  • If the redness or tenderness where you got the shot gets worse after 24 hours
  • If your side effects are worrying you or do not seem to be going away after a few days
And this reminder:Side effects can affect your ability to do daily activities, but they should go away in a few days.

They also warn of possible severe allergic reaction.


If people are unaware of side effects then they are listening to neither side of the argument.
 
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