This shot and my view:

[just-want-peace]

Isn't it strange...I only find the opposite.

Am I misreading you??
You appear to be saying that you have MORE trust in the gov't.
Surely something was/is lost in the "translation"!?!?

 

[JonC]

Am I misreading you??
You appear to be saying that you have MORE trust in the gov't.
Surely something was/is lost in the "translation"!?!?

No. I trust the government in some things (have to or I'd have to find another line of work).

What I mean is that with the evidence I have more faith in the vaccine.

 

[just-want-peace]

No. I trust the government in some things (have to or I'd have to find another line of work).

What I mean is that with the evidence I have more faith in the vaccine.

Thanks for the clarification!!

 

[canadyjd]

No. I trust the government in some things (have to or I'd have to find another line of work).

What I mean is that with the evidence I have more faith in the vaccine.

More faith in the vaccine than…….?

More faith in the vaccine rather than natural immunity gained from having the virus?

More faith the vaccine will protect someone from the virus rather than protection from a mask?

More faith the vaccine benefits far out way complications that have been reported?

peace to you

 

[JonC]

More faith in the vaccine than…….?

More faith in the vaccine rather than natural immunity gained from having the virus?

More faith the vaccine will protect someone from the virus rather than protection from a mask?

More faith the vaccine benefits far out way complications that have been reported?

peace to you

No. Faith in God (I believe God is a God of means).

I understand there are people who refuse medical treatment for religious reasons. I am not one of those people.

 

[FollowTheWay]

How the Polio Vaccine Virus Occasionally Becomes Dangerous

The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis

It caused 40,000 cases of polio, but who's counting?
The polio vaccine today is causing cases of polio. Who cares about that either?

It caused 250 cases of polio in 1955, none today. Read my CDC link.

 

[Reynolds]

It caused 250 cases of polio in 1955, none today. Read my CDC link.

Read my link.
It is causing cases now in Africa. Read my other link.

 

[canadyjd]

No. Faith in God (I believe God is a God of means).

I understand there are people who refuse medical treatment for religious reasons. I am not one of those people.

I never doubted your faith in God.

In post #42, you stated you had “more faith in the vaccine”. I was seeking a little clarification.

The word “more” indicates a comparison. More than ……. what?

I have no religious objection to the vaccine or other medical treatment. I haven’t seen any real scientific evidence that people already exposed and recovered from this virus (like myself) have any benefit from the vaccine.

Those already recovered, from what I’ve read, have immunity above 99%. The vaccines have about 95% immunity.

If there is no benefit to me taking the vaccine, it seems reasonable, imo, that even a very small risk of complications from taking the vaccine would not be worth taking.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

I never doubted your faith in God.

In post #42, you stated you had “more faith in the vaccine”. I was seeking a little clarification.

The word “more” indicates a comparison. More than ……. what?

I have no religious objection to the vaccine or other medical treatment. I haven’t seen any real scientific evidence that people already exposed and recovered from this virus (like myself) have any benefit from the vaccine.

Those already recovered, from what I’ve read, have immunity above 99%. The vaccines have about 95% immunity.

If there is no benefit to me taking the vaccine, it seems reasonable, imo, that even a very small risk of complications from taking the vaccine would not be worth taking.

peace to you

More faith in the vaccine than in chances of having no complications from COVID should I get it.

Chances are I would not be involved in a motorcycle accident, but I was. It was not bad, but looking at the helmet I was glad I wore one. I do not think it should be against the law not to wear a helmet (and it isn't where I live). I just had more faith in the safety measure of wearing a helmet than the odds I would not need it. And it worked in my favor.

 

[canadyjd]

More faith in the vaccine than in chances of having no complications from COVID should I get it.

Chances are I would not be involved in a motorcycle accident, but I was. It was not bad, but looking at the helmet I was glad I wore one. I do not think it should be against the law not to wear a helmet (and it isn't where I live). I just had more faith in the safety measure of wearing a helmet than the odds I would not need it. And it worked in my favor.

Thanks for clarifying.

peace to you

 

[just-want-peace]

--------- I just had more faith in the safety measure of wearing a helmet than the odds I would not need it. And it worked in my favor.

SIDE TRACK:
I bought a new Olds diesel sedan in '84, & for the one & only time ever I bought an extended
warranty with it.
Had to be divine intervention, 'cause I had to have, IIRC, 5 fuel pumps replaced on this vehicle. Didn't cost me a dime.
Now back to the original programming!!

 

[FollowTheWay]

More faith in the vaccine than…….?

More faith in the vaccine rather than natural immunity gained from having the virus?

More faith the vaccine will protect someone from the virus rather than protection from a mask?

More faith the vaccine benefits far out way complications that have been reported?

peace to you

Yes. All of the above are supported with scientific evidence.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Read my link.
It is causing cases now in Africa. Read my other link.

Countries gear up to kick all forms of polio out of Africa, once and for all – GPEI (polioeradication.org)

Last year, on 25 August 2020, Africa made history with the African Region Certification Commission for Polio Eradication independently certifying that the Region was free of wild poliovirus. This is the second disease to be kicked out of Africa after smallpox more than 40 years ago.
This achievement is remarkable, considering that in the 1990s wild poliovirus paralysed more than 75,000 African children every single year – a situation that prompted Nelson Mandela in 1996, joined by Rotary International and other partners, to issue a stark call to action: Kick Polio Out of Africa!

All strains of wild poliovirus have now been interrupted in the continent. The last case of wild poliovirus was in August 2016.

However, this tremendous progress remains an unfinished success story. Although Africa is free of wild poliovirus, countries continue to be affected by another form of the virus, known as circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 (cVDPV2). Such strains are rare, but can occur in under-immunized communities with limited access to safe water and sanitation.

Now, intensified efforts are being launched to finish polio once and for all, to ensure no child in Africa will ever be paralysed by any strain of this virus.

The novel OPV2 vaccine has been in development since 2011, and in November 2020, WHO’s Prequalification Team issued an emergency use listing (EUL) recommendation enabling initial roll-out in countries affected by cVDPV2 outbreaks. Soon after the issuance of the EUL, the WHO Regional Director for Africa, Dr Matshidiso Moeti, advocated to countries to use this additional tool to stop all forms of polio in Africa.

As countries in the Region gear up to roll out this new tool for outbreak response, with WHO’s support they are developing supply, demand and deployment plans; ensuring expedited pathways for national regulatory approvals; enhancing surveillance and laboratory capacity; investing in meeting cold-chain capacity and vaccine management requirements; ensuring vaccine safety monitoring and follow-up mechanisms are in place; and developing communication plans and engaging communities to enhance understanding of the vaccine and risks posed by cVDPV2.

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Rather than causing polio vaccines are being used to hopefully eradicate it in Africa.

 

[Reynolds]

Countries gear up to kick all forms of polio out of Africa, once and for all – GPEI (polioeradication.org)

Last year, on 25 August 2020, Africa made history with the African Region Certification Commission for Polio Eradication independently certifying that the Region was free of wild poliovirus. This is the second disease to be kicked out of Africa after smallpox more than 40 years ago.
This achievement is remarkable, considering that in the 1990s wild poliovirus paralysed more than 75,000 African children every single year – a situation that prompted Nelson Mandela in 1996, joined by Rotary International and other partners, to issue a stark call to action: Kick Polio Out of Africa!

All strains of wild poliovirus have now been interrupted in the continent. The last case of wild poliovirus was in August 2016.

However, this tremendous progress remains an unfinished success story. Although Africa is free of wild poliovirus, countries continue to be affected by another form of the virus, known as circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 (cVDPV2). Such strains are rare, but can occur in under-immunized communities with limited access to safe water and sanitation.

Now, intensified efforts are being launched to finish polio once and for all, to ensure no child in Africa will ever be paralysed by any strain of this virus.

The novel OPV2 vaccine has been in development since 2011, and in November 2020, WHO’s Prequalification Team issued an emergency use listing (EUL) recommendation enabling initial roll-out in countries affected by cVDPV2 outbreaks. Soon after the issuance of the EUL, the WHO Regional Director for Africa, Dr Matshidiso Moeti, advocated to countries to use this additional tool to stop all forms of polio in Africa.

As countries in the Region gear up to roll out this new tool for outbreak response, with WHO’s support they are developing supply, demand and deployment plans; ensuring expedited pathways for national regulatory approvals; enhancing surveillance and laboratory capacity; investing in meeting cold-chain capacity and vaccine management requirements; ensuring vaccine safety monitoring and follow-up mechanisms are in place; and developing communication plans and engaging communities to enhance understanding of the vaccine and risks posed by cVDPV2.

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Rather than causing polio vaccines are being used to hopefully eradicate it in Africa.

The vaccines caused many cases of polio in Africa. Where you think the non "wild" cases came from?

 

[JonC]

The vaccines caused many cases of polio in Africa. Where you think the non "wild" cases came from?

Perhaps this is a good reason to explore mRNA vaccines. These use messenger RNA (which is fragile and quickly dissipates) and no live virus to elicit an autoimmune response.

 

[Wingman68]

Two passengers on post-Covid cruise test positive for coronavirus during voyage in the Caribbean | Daily Mail Online

Fully vaccinated.

 

[JonC]

Two passengers on post-Covid cruise test positive for coronavirus during voyage in the Caribbean | Daily Mail Online

Fully vaccinated.

Cool. I guess this is support for getting vaccinated. Not even mild symptoms but asymptomatic.


While it is rare, vaccinated people can get COVID but with mild symptoms and a quicker recovery..


New U.S. COVID-19 cases and deaths tick higher, while CDC’s ‘real world’ study shows Pfizer, Moderna vaccines reduce infection risk by 91%

 

[canadyjd]

Yes. All of the above are supported with scientific evidence.

Well, not really. The Cleveland Clinic just published a study that showed people who have had the virus get no additional immunity from taking the vaccine.

I’ve had the virus. Since I would get no benefit from the vaccine, even a small chance of complications seems an unnecessary risk.

peace to you

 

[TurtleSox]

As a matter of law and precedent employers cannot make employment or application for employment contingent on consent to receive the Covid-19 "vaccine".
Though they may be under the impression this is possible due to the SCOTUS ruling as pertained to the 1905 smallpox vaccine in, Jacobson v. Massachusetts.

And that decision permitted states to make vaccines compulsory due to a designated public health emergency.

However, in the case of the Covid-19 "vaccine", the Nuremberg Code insures this vaccine can't be made compulsory by emoyers or anyone else. This is because the Covid-19 "vaccine", which requires boosters over long periods of years, is designated experimental.
Which is why receiving the "vaccine" is voluntary and free.

Without charge exempts laboratories that make the "vaccine" from liability due to side effects, including death.

The mRNA vaccine has been studied by laboratories world wide since the late '80's. However, it has never been permitted for release to the public till now.

 

[777]

You really don't want to compare the polio vaccine with that of this covid one - the history of the polio vaccine is actually scary:

Polio vaccine - Wikipedia

*some* posters may not read through that, so I'll pull:

Two separate teams, led by John Kolmer and Maurice Brodie respectively, developed polio vaccines and reported their results at the annual meeting of the American Public Health Association in November 1935. Despite promising results, both were cancelled as a result of the angry reaction from other researchers, as vaccinated children had died in both studies. It would be another 20 years before a successful polio vaccine achieved government licensure.[57]

John Kolmer (1886–1962), of Temple University, presented his findings first. He had developed an attenuated poliovirus vaccine, which he tested in about 10,000 children across much of the United States and Canada.[57] Five of these children died of polio, and 10 more were paralyzed, usually in the arm where the vaccine was injected, in many cases in towns where no polio outbreak had occurred.[57] He had no control group but asserted that many more children would have gotten sick.[57] The response from other researchers was uncharacteristically blunt; one of them directly called Kolmer a murderer.[57]

Maurice Brodie, a young researcher at New York University and the New York City Health Department, presented his results afterward, but the feelings of the researchers were already unfavorable before he started because of Kolmer's report.[57] Brodie and his team had prepared a formaldehyde-killed poliovirus vaccine, testing it first on himself and five co-workers, and eventually on 7,500 children and adults, with another 4,500 people serving as a control group.[57] In the control group, Brodie reported that one out of 900 developed polio; in the group receiving the vaccine, only one out of 7,500 developed polio, making the vaccine 88% effective during the first year. However, other researchers believed that the one case was likely caused by the vaccine, and two more possible cases were reported later.[57]

After this meeting, Brodie, whose polio vaccine was at least partly effective and reasonably safe, and who developed several ground-breaking ideas about vaccination whose validity was confirmed two decades later with the development of the Salk vaccine, was immediately fired and had trouble finding employment again. Brodie died three and a half years later.[57] Kolmer, an established researcher whose vaccine was unsafe and probably ineffective, kept his job, was given a second appointment as professor of medicine at the Temple University School of Dentistry the next year, continued to publish research papers, and received multiple awards throughout his academic career.[57][58]

and Salk worked on the vaccine for over seven years, as opposed to the covid, which was rushed through. I think the covid one is safe for most people but no just because big smart government says so - look what this same bunch did with the food pyramid, which arguably has led to global obesity. Wouldn't give it to my kids even now.