Three days and three nights

[rstrats]

vooks,

re: Why are you contradicting yourself?"

I'm not. You're asking different questions. Your first question was "Ok. So your problem is how three days and three nights can fit between Friday afternoon and Sunday?" But your next question was "you think Matthew 12:40 can only have been an idiom if Jesus died on Friday and resurrected on Sunday?" Different questions, different answers required.

 

[vooks]

vooks,

re: Why are you contradicting yourself?"

I'm not.

Here is my question and your answer

vooks,

re: "So how is 'that part that says that three nights would be involved' idiomatic?"

What else could it be if you say that the Messiah died on the afternoon of the 6th day of the week and resurrected on the 1st day of the week?

Vooks: How is 'that part that says three nights would be involved' idiomatic?

rstrats: What else could it be if you say....

So you are inferring an idiom based on a Friday afternoon death and Sunday resurrection narrative

I need you to point out the supposed idiom first before I can tell you if it is common or if it's an idiom in the first place


Dithering is an option

 

[rstrats]

vooks,

re: "I need you to point out the supposed idiom..."

Maybe those who say it's an idiom are using the incorrect term. The Messiah said that He would be in the "heart of the earth" for three nights. An afternoon 6th day of the week death/first day of the week resurrection only allows for two nights. What term would you use to try to explain the discrepancy?

 

[vooks]

vooks,

re: "I need you to point out the supposed idiom..."

Maybe those who say it's an idiom are using the incorrect term. The Messiah said that He would be in the "heart of the earth" for three nights. An afternoon 6th day of the week death/first day of the week resurrection only allows for two nights. What term would you use to try to explain the discrepancy?

Jesus NEVER said he would be in the heart of the earth for three nights. What are you reading?

You are busy manufacturing your own dilemmas and 'discrepancies'

 

[rstrats]

vooks,

re: "Jesus NEVER said he would be in the heart of the earth for three nights"

So if the Messiah wasn't referring to Himself as the Son of Man, to whom do you think He was referring?

 

[rstrats]

vooks,

re: "Jesus NEVER said he would be in the heart of the earth for three nights"

So if the Messiah wasn't referring to Himself as the Son of Man, to whom do you think He was referring?

 

[rstrats]

Deleted. Duplicate post.

 

[vooks]

vooks,

re: "Jesus NEVER said he would be in the heart of the earth for three nights"

So if the Messiah wasn't referring to Himself as the Son of Man, to whom do you think He was referring?

Jesus is/was the Son of man and nowhere did He say He would be in the heart of the earth for three nights. That's your imagination overworking

 

[rstrats]

vooks,

re: "Jesus is/was the Son of man and nowhere did He say He would be in the heart of the earth for three nights."

Since you're still messing with me, I think we're done here.

 

[vooks]

vooks,

re: "Jesus is/was the Son of man and nowhere did He say He would be in the heart of the earth for three nights."

Since you're still messing with me, I think we're done here.

You are the one who can't back up your claims from scriptures.

Where did the Bible say that Jesus would be dead for three nights?

 

[Eliyahu]

Year: 31 A.D. Preparation day, Lamb slain, Wed. Nisan 14.

Christ was crucified on Wednesday 14 Nisan, 31 AD.

He was in the tomb from Sundown Wednesday, through Sundown Saturday and arose before sunup Sunday 18 Nisan, in the tomb three days and three nights.

He was taken down from the cross because the high holy day (first day of Passover, a special Sabbath) was approaching at sundown.

The ladies could do no work on the first day of Passover, a special, high, holy Sabbath. (sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday).

On Friday (sundown Thursday to sundown Friday) they went shopping for the spices and other burial items.

They could not prepare the body on Saturday (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday) because it was the regular weekly Sabbath.

They arrived at the tomb just before sunup Sunday and found He was gone, resurrected.

QED

What if we believe that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and was resurrected before the sunset on Saturday, the regular Sabbath?

Only the discovery of the resurrection was done early in the morning of Sunday, the first day of the week as we read Mark 16:9.
This is quite a possible conjecture as Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Eliyahu

 

[TCassidy]

What if we believe that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and was resurrected before the sunset on Saturday, the regular Sabbath?

Only the discovery of the resurrection was done early in the morning of Sunday, the first day of the week as we read Mark 16:9.
This is quite a possible conjecture as Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Eliyahu

I dealt with that in my article.

 

[Eliyahu]

I dealt with that in my article.

Thanks.
I will check around.

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

In addition I want to comment here about the third day issue

On this issue, the concept of the third day is quite different from the 3 days and 3 nights.
The 3rd day in Lev 7 or Lev 24 is another method of counting from different point of view.
In those cases, they can indicate today, tomorrow, and third day.
Moreover, Luke 24:21 mentions the third day but they were blinded as we read in Lk 24:16.
Could they be perfect and what they said can override what Jesus said in Mt 12:40?
1 Cor 15:3 is the same.
Third day depends on when we start to count from.
It can be after all the events, or after the burial or after the High Sabbath, the Passover Sabbath.
We must keep in mind the 3 full days and 3 full nights.

Eliyahu

 

[vooks]

In addition I want to comment here about the third day issue

On this issue, the concept of the third day is quite different from the 3 days and 3 nights.
The 3rd day in Lev 7 or Lev 24 is another method of counting from different point of view.
In those cases, they can indicate today, tomorrow, and third day.
Moreover, Luke 24:21 mentions the third day but they were blinded as we read in Lk 24:16.
Could they be perfect and what they said can override what Jesus said in Mt 12:40?
1 Cor 15:3 is the same.
Third day depends on when we start to count from.
It can be after all the events, or after the burial or after the High Sabbath, the Passover Sabbath.
We must keep in mind the 3 full days and 3 full nights.

Eliyahu

But from scriptures, THIRD day from today is consistently the day after tomorrow. If you know of any instance of third day being any other day other than the day before yesterday or after tomorrow, please share

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

But from scriptures, THIRD day from today is consistently the day after tomorrow. If you know of any instance of third day being any other day other than the day before yesterday or after tomorrow, please share

You say, "~from scriptures~". Which Scriptures? In all of the Scriptures there is never written, "~THIRD day from today~" ---never.

And have you had anyone who shared with you one "~instance of third day being any other day other than the day before yesterday or after tomorrow~"? Please share with me that Scripture, that's what I'm after ---the Scripture(s) saying "~third day being any other day other than the day before yesterday or after tomorrow~".

Was this your 100th time you have shared it with others on this Board? But not once said from which Scripture?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I dealt with that in my article.

Please give the web page? I wonder how you dealt with the Wednesday crucifixionists

 

[TCassidy]

Please give the web page? I wonder how you dealt with the Wednesday crucifixionists

This thread. Post # 102.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

This thread. Post # 102.

Do you mean your posting the chart with 1st Abib based on first sighting of the new moon ... I think you said just minutes after sundown?

Would it be possible to let us see a similar chart based on calculated real first new moon after spring equinox? I hope my terminology is near enough correct. The COG in Armstrong's time had a chart like that by her Majesty's Nautical Almanac society or something. I must be drinking too much, because it seems to effect my memory so that I cannot remember the detail of her Majesty's almanac that well. Anyhow, does NASA perhaps have one?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Isaiah 32:6

For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.