I apologize to everyone; I did not intend to make myself a liar. This will be my last post for the next month (or two, or three, or more). If you really, really want to talk to me, please feel free to e-mail me.
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Oneness, I applaud your willingness to question the salvation of others who profess to know Christ. Thank you for judging our souls, and finding us wanting.
I have told you before that I have been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; I have stated that that name is Jesus.
So why do you continue to question my--and others'--baptism? Are you suddenly saying that the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus?
That my baptism in invalid because I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?
I remind you that there were certain of the Jews who came, and stated that people must start being circumsized; and that Peter stood tall, and asked them why they were placing a yoke on the people that God never intended. And before you spout off without thinking that this has nothing to do with baptism, I humbly submit to you that it most certainly does. ANY time we make a physical act that is performed by us a "requirement" for salvation, we have re-instituted circumcision.
Think about it for a while.
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Norm, it's not my logic either. You're apparently not reading the passages in Revelations. I highly suggest you go back and read chapters 4 and 5 again.
"In the midst of the throne and the beasts and the elders"
When you use the conjunction, you group things together. So, if I accept you literally and say that the Lamb was the one sitting on the throne, then I have to agree that the beasts and the elders were sitting on the throne as well.
I see that you never ever answered "who took the book out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne"; rather, both you and Oneness took the vision that John had, and the words that he put down in writing to convey what he saw in that vision, and are trying to downplay what John wrote by stating that "it was a vision."
The reason you won't answer, Norm, is because you would have to admit that the Lamb (Jesus) is the one that took the book out of the hand of He who sits on the throne. You'd have to admit that in John's vision, v.7 says the Lamb "came and took the book." And that throws a kink into your belief system, because then you have to admit that this vision indicates that there are two persons involved....
Sorry, but I don't see how Deuteronomy 4:35-39 is supposed to support your statements.
Norm, Oneness, take a look at Jesus' own words: "My father who sent me." (John 5:23, 30, 36, 37; John 6:44, 57; John 8:16) "My Father, who is in heaven. (Matthew 5:16, 45, 48; Matthew 6:1; Matthew 7:11, 21; Matthew 10:32, 33; Matthew 12:50; Matthew 16:17; Matthew 18:10; Matthew 23:9; the list goes on through Mark, Luke, and John, but takes up much more space).
Gentlemen, there is absolutely no denying that Jesus was God in the flesh. No denying it at all.
There is absolutely no denying that God is spirit. No denying it at all.
There is also absolutely no denying that Jesus--God in the flesh--also stated that He was the Son of God, and that while He was in the flesh, walking on our earth, God was His Father and was also in heaven at the same time.
In other words, two "persons" existing in two different places at the same exact time.
Absolutely no denying at all that Jesus stated this, and therefore should be considered as fact.
Feel free to try to deny it; but scripture proves otherwise.
This, gentlemen, is the basis for the fact that there is a Trinity: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Three persons, who are actually one, but being separate at the same time.
I'm sorry you refuse to see this.
But you know what? You both indicate that you've been saved by the grace of Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross, and (I assume) you've both repented and confessed that there is no other name under heaven by which we are saved.
In that regard, you can deny the Trinity all you want--and I won't question your salvation.
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