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Time to end ALL protests?

Zaac

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Calling the GOP racist is hateful nonsense.

No more hateful than the nonsense you and a handful of others spew about BLM. And from the comments that I've seen from several of ya who are diehard GOPers supporting that bigoted candidate for President, saying the GOP is filled with racists and the racially prejudiced might not be too far of a stretch.
There are BLM chapters that don't allow white people to attend.

Nice lie. You get that from Sean Hannity? Back in the 60s and 70s , white bigots use to try to make that same claim about the NAACP to paint it as a racist organization.

Why don't y'all try some new lies?.

Even if there are white people in BLM, would the KKK win your approval if the let in black people? (They might, for all I know.)

Just another stupid attempt to cover up your lie. There are plenty of white people who understand why they say BLM. It's the folks whose hearts have been hardened who don't get it.

Now you let me know when you find that KKK group that's admitting black people and they are in agreement that Whites are superior to Blacks.

That you would even be trying to juxtapose the two groups speaks to your hearts condition.
 

righteousdude2

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I don't know about other places, but the rally/protest in Dallas was appropriatly coordinated with the police department and was quite orderly... until the nut job starting murdering people.


I agree. The problem with this sentence begins with the "but." You're far too eager to trade off our civil rights to try a quick and unsatisfactory fix.

This is not a quick fix ... what do you, oh great one, suggest?

So you want pro-life rallies/protests to be forced to hire private security This is a place to start, and yes, pro-life; protect the red horned frogs, or stop plastic bags in stores .... all would be subject to this protest rule! (whether it is one person outside a clinic or thousands) and be forced into special "free speech zones" where the public does not have to see them or interact with them? Moreover, you place a burden on organizers and participants to estimate ahead of time how many security officers will be needed for a gathering and financially provide for it? SO they are burdened! MOst groups are well funded, and if they want to protest, and believe in the cause, then let them put up the cash to support their cause!

I know this is aimed at BLM, not pro-life groups, but it will cut in all directions. I'm hardly an advocate for BLM, but they have rights like a citizens.


Lock 'em up.

Where do you hope to spend your jail time when this thing backfires on Christians?

Once these anarchists see the courts will do what they say, I predict this will not create a backlash of over crowding. It will, however, develop more law abiding people, and you will not have tons of folks being locked up!!!

Public servants are servants of the public. It's as simple as that. The Constitution demands the right to peaceably assemble, Once again you are right as well as wrong. It demands a place to assemble, but it doesn't demand that place be on freeways, taking over public streets and roadways, shoppping centers! Where they assemble is up to licenisng agency to appoint! so they are obligated to respect that and provide for public safety.

Freedom of speech carries with it responsibility. But vague fears about safety don't trump free exercise of civil liberties.

How did I avoid the violence in Dallas? I didn't go to an area where passions might run high.

Truth be told, I didn't go because I wasn't interested. Moreover, I was at the Texas Rangers baseball game. I had to walk through a metal detector Ah. Metal detectors! That wasn't mentioned in the right to assemble? Those seem like a violation, just like CCTV? Yet those things are used to protect and assure the safety of others who are also assembled to be part of the evnt or for other reasons! Mankind must adapt to the changes in society. Metal dectectors, CCTV, rented halls for a protest .... are simply things that are in place because we are eveolving as a society to meet the needs of people and protect the society from eveolving forms of evil! and was subject to search, but the Rangers were lousy that night.

People CAN be cited for blocking traffic - and often are - in many situations. That's what should happen, not a repeal of the First Amendment!


It was NOT.

I can't believe something thinks that way.

This ran completely contrary to the goals of the BLM leadership in Dallas. Why in the world would you want someone firing into YOUR crowd? If it were not for the fast and courageous action of the Dallas Police Department, many others may have been murdered. Moreover, it gives racists an opportunity to claim BLM wants a "race war."

I talked to someone who was THERE and she told me the BLM leadership made it extremely clear that the DPD and DART police officers whom they encountered were not the enemy. Before the shooting started, participants took many photos posing with the officers and the mood was quite unified.

You need to reconsider where you are getting your information. I'll be happy to reconsider where I gain my info, if you are willing to do likewise!

In case you didn't pick up on the gist of this OP ... it was a suggestion based upon what I see as the problem, and how we COULD elimiinate the problems being caused by protesters! Unfortunately, peaceful protesters would in fact be subjected to the same suggestions, because a few rotten apples have made the right to assemble a tense event, and it has become necessary to make changes to protect ALL Americans! My post was a SUGGESTION, like your points are a suggestion!

Thanks for making your views known, BB! KNow let's get back to reality and admit, my suggestions will never come about, because this country is leaning so far to the left, that they would rather let people shut down freeways, and put our public servants, business owners (during riots) and the public in general at risk, so that a few ROTTEN APPLES can express themselves, by assembling and turning that assembly into a riot (not all the time, but you must admit, everytime BLM assembles, the tensions are high, and the possiblity of a riot are there for the asking. It just takes a few well places anarchists to tuen the tension into an all out riot). IMHO, you take too much of what I said tooooooo seriously! Shalom!!


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Smyth

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Once again you are right as well as wrong. It demands a place to assemble, but it doesn't demand that place be on freeways, taking over public streets and roadways, shoppping centers! Where they assemble is up to licenisng agency to appoint!

FYI "Baptist Believer" is... what's the preferred term... Very progressive.

You're right, Free Speech doesn't include blocking traffic and trespassing in the mall. BLM is coddled by police because they're black (and for fear of riots). But, maybe that'll come to an end with increasing outrage against BLM, a true hate group that chants for violence.
 

Baptist Believer

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They provoked this attack as does the Black Panthers.....BTW he was seen pictured with them.
You previously arrested that BLM "gunned down police" and not you are stepping back and saying they "provoked this attack." Your video shows a group of demonstrators in Minnesota nearly a year ago chanting a despicable hate message. That was not occurring in Dallas. Moreover, your assertion is that they provoked someone to SHOOT INTO THEIR OWN RALLY. If they wanted people to kill police officers, there are ways to do it that don't require shooting into their own rally.

You said "he was seen pictured with them" and did not identify "them." There does not seem to be any connection between the shooter and BLM and he indeed stated that he had nothing to do with them. There may be a link with the Black Panthers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Black Panthers had anything to do with it... just like I don't think the U.S. Army Reserve had anything to do with his actions, even though he was a member.
 

Baptist Believer

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He was apparently a member of the New Black Panther Party in Houston for about six months but kicked out because he didn't follow the "chain of command."

So that claim that he represented Black Panthers is highly questionable. Moreover, investigators are still sorting things out so it is a bit early to start pointing fingers at groups and persons who are allegedly responsible for his actions.
 

Baptist Believer

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Beyoncé had dancers dressed as Black Panthers as part of her racist Superbowl half-time show. BLM is a closely related, no less racist group.
I'm not a fan of BLM either, but that doesn't mean I get to make up things about them.

...BLM has been closely tied to a surge in crime and murder, and chants of "no peace" (e.g. from protestors "no justice no peace no racist police" as shots started to ring out).
So you support "racist police"?

Compare to the Tea Party, which is completely non-racist and non-violent. Who is it that the media portrays as racist and dangerous? Yep, the Tea Party.
If you are trying to convince me of something, you should not have invited that comparison. Most of my friends and extended family members who are racist are also zealous Tea Party people. I'm quite serious about that. While I am not aware of the Tea Party have any sort of stated racial agenda, the persons who make up the Tea Party - that I know - are often quite antagonistic toward persons of non-white backgrounds. They also commit violence with words, which is the step before committing violence with hands. Of course committing violence with words is rather common in politics... way too much of it across the political spectrum.
 

Baptist Believer

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RF2 wrote:

This is not a quick fix ... what do you, [sarcastic jab], suggest?
There are no quick fixes. Your solution is to restrict civil rights in the First Amendment. I think we need to tone down the rhetoric as a nation. Accusation filled rants and posts in the media inflame anger - which leads to violence - instead of finding a path forward.

This is a place to start, and yes, pro-life; protect the red horned frogs, or stop plastic bags in stores .... all would be subject to this protest rule!
I am opposed to requiring Christians to hire private security to voice their opinion in public. I guess that’s a simple disagreement.

SO they are burdened! MOst groups are well funded, and if they want to protest, and believe in the cause, then let them put up the cash to support their cause!
Again, simple disagreement. I wonder how you would like it if the internet somehow charged $10 for every politically-oriented post you made to cover the cost of actions that someone undertook while being angered by one of your posts? I suspect you would not like it.

I'll be happy to reconsider where I gain my info, if you are willing to do likewise!
I am getting my info directly from conversation from eyewitnesses/participants in the Dallas rally, from historical documents written at the founding of the nation, the Constitution, and observations from more than 50 years of life on this planet. I’m not willing to toss those aside. I actually don’t get that much information from the talking heads on TV or from the 24-hour news channels. I watch an hour or so of those shows every couple of months.

In case you didn't pick up on the gist of this OP ... it was a suggestion based upon what I see as the problem, and how we COULD elimiinate the problems being caused by protesters! Unfortunately, peaceful protesters would in fact be subjected to the same suggestions, because a few rotten apples have made the right to assemble a tense event, and it has become necessary to make changes to protect ALL Americans! My post was a SUGGESTION, like your points are a suggestion!
I am not advocating non-peaceful protests. The Constitution recognizes a right to peaceably assemble, not to riot. We should police the non-peaceable assembly but not put restrictions on peaceable assembly. That’s the fundamental different between our views. You want to compromise the right to assemble and then impose stiff sentences on those who break the peace, while I want to preserve the right to assemble and impose sentences on those who break the peace.

...but you must admit, everytime BLM assembles, the tensions are high, and the possiblity of a riot are there for the asking. It just takes a few well places anarchists to tuen the tension into an all out riot)
I was not there, but my coworker told me that the BLM assembly in Dallas was not at all tense and want well led. Everyone - including the police - was in good spirits until the shooting began. The media who were on the scene live documented this. So your allegation that BLM assemblies cause high tension every time they meet is false.


IMHO, you take too much of what I said tooooooo seriously! Shalom!!
So you don’t want me to take you seriously? Are you just posting nonsense for laughs and giggles?
 

Baptist Believer

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FYI "Baptist Believer" is... what's the preferred term... Very progressive.
I don't know what you mean. That is generally a label that is thrown around for good or ill, but doesn't seem to have a generally accepted meaning.

First and foremost, I am a disciple of Jesus. If you want to know where I stand politically, I usually fall in the political spectrum to be a bit to the right of center, although some of my political positions in this political climate may seem extreme because I hold to a strong view of the Bill of Rights.

My right wing friends often get upset because I hold to a strong originalist view of the First Amendment, including separation of church and state. My left wing friends often get upset because I hold to a strong originalist view of the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment is built upon the philosophical foundation built by the First, so you can't diminish one without diminishing the other - which seems to get everyone angry.
 

righteousdude2

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So you don’t want me to take you seriously? Are you just posting nonsense for laughs and giggles?

No, not me, but you! I fear you are close to having a heart attack by taking everything that is posted so personally! Slow down and take a breath, BB, life is too short for you to get so upset! No one really cares about BLM! They are a hate group. A group of racists! If they weren't racists and haters, then they'd be protesting the shooting of black in Chicago and other cities across the USA! Their efforts to intimidate cops is duly noted! They hate uniformed whites, and no uniformed whites. I'd sure not want to think you hate the same group of folks? If you do, let me ask: WWJD, let alone say to you for all the hater rhetoric you seem to want us to believe you support?!
 

Baptist Believer

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No, not me, but you! I fear you are close to having a heart attack by taking everything that is posted so personally! Slow down and take a breath, BB, life is too short for you to get so upset!
I don't know where you get the idea that I'm upset. Moreover, I don't take any of this personally. While there are plenty of accusers who imagine they know me, they are entirely wrong in their assessments. It would be like getting upset because someone accused me of being a refrigerator. It just doesn't make any sense.

No one really cares about BLM! They are a hate group. A group of racists! If they weren't racists and haters, then they'd be protesting the shooting of black in Chicago and other cities across the USA! Their efforts to intimidate cops is duly noted! They hate uniformed whites, and no uniformed whites. I'd sure not want to think you hate the same group of folks? If you do, let me ask: WWJD, let alone say to you for all the hater rhetoric you seem to want us to believe you support?!
Your statement above is a perfect example.

I've pointed out that I am not a fan of BLM. I've also pointed out that I condemn violence. I've also pointed out that some in this thread have made errors of fact. I have also introduced information from someone who was at the Dallas event - which is confirmed by numerous media reports (and these things occurred just outside the studios of two Dallas television stations and was well covered).

My primary point in this thread was to counter your idea to abridge the civil rights enumerated in the First Amendment. I think I have done that. But because I have done that, you are now suggesting that I approve of hateful rhetoric.

Utter nonsense.
 

righteousdude2

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I don't know where you get the idea that I'm upset. Moreover, I don't take any of this personally. While there are plenty of accusers who imagine they know me, they are entirely wrong in their assessments. It would be like getting upset because someone accused me of being a refrigerator. It just doesn't make any sense.


Your statement above is a perfect example.

I've pointed out that I am not a fan of BLM. I've also pointed out that I condemn violence. I've also pointed out that some in this thread have made errors of fact. I have also introduced information from someone who was at the Dallas event - which is confirmed by numerous media reports (and these things occurred just outside the studios of two Dallas television stations and was well covered).

My primary point in this thread was to counter your idea to abridge the civil rights enumerated in the First Amendment. I think I have done that. But because I have done that, you are now suggesting that I approve of hateful rhetoric.

Utter nonsense.

Isn't an utter the term used to describe the body part through which cows give milk? "Utter nonsense" seems to be an oxymoron.
 

Baptist Believer

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Isn't an utter the term used to describe the body part through which cows give milk?
No. Please invest in a dictionary.

Utter - to express (oneself or itself), especially in words.
Udder - a mamma or mammary gland, especially when baggy and with more than one teat, as in cows.

"Utter nonsense" seems to be an oxymoron.
"Utter nonsense" is incoherence and/or falsehood expressed in words.
 
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Revmitchell

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I'm not a fan of BLM either, but that doesn't mean I get to make up things about them.


So you support "racist police"?


If you are trying to convince me of something, you should not have invited that comparison. Most of my friends and extended family members who are racist are also zealous Tea Party people. I'm quite serious about that. While I am not aware of the Tea Party have any sort of stated racial agenda, the persons who make up the Tea Party - that I know - are often quite antagonistic toward persons of non-white backgrounds. They also commit violence with words, which is the step before committing violence with hands. Of course committing violence with words is rather common in politics... way too much of it across the political spectrum.

I am not going to try to convince you of anything. You can hold to whatever false belief you want. The facts are the BLM started out calling for the death of cops. It happened at protest after protest. They have also publically justified looting and rioting. Of late however, it seems they want to try and clean up their image. I am sure there is a tactical engineering behind that.

It is too late for BLM. They have made their bed now they must lay in it. They are not to be trusted as reasonable and peaceful people. Ever.
 

Baptist Believer

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I am not going to try to convince you of anything.
I have only referred to the Dallas rally/protest, not BLM anywhere else.

I am not a supporter of BLM, although I am a support of "black lives" and I do think they "matter." But we get into trouble very quickly when we start putting qualifiers on which lives "matter."
 
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