Reformed1689
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If you are vaccinated why are you worried about it if the vaccine is so effective?
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I don't know. That goes against "accepted" science. What science has trumpeted is the benefit of the less specified nature of immunity via vaccine over natural immunity ity (that immunity via vaccine is far superior to natural immunity when dealing with varients).
Coronavirus Disease 2019
COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination.
We lived outside an Amish area for a long time (in TN) and covid has hit the Amish very hard. Looking around it seems what we have seen is not uncommon.
Fact Check-Amish communities have been affected by the COVID-19 pandemic
COVID-19 Has Hit The Amish Community Hard. Still, Vaccines Are A Tough Sell
WVU Today | Death and religion: ‘Excess deaths’ sweep through Amish and Mennonite communities during COVID-19 pandemic
https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.or...covid-but-vaccines-are-still-a-hard-sell/amp/
Closed but Not Protected: Excess Deaths Among the Amish and Mennonites During the COVID-19 Pandemic - PubMed COVID-19 Outbreak in an Amish Community — Ohio, May 2020.
https://coronavirus.nautil.us/covid-amish/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...of-plain-community-households-hit-by-covid-19.
More COVID cases in Lancaster County raise concerns as officials seek to determine virus’ spread among Amish
right ... and they're DONE with it.
There were losses which weren't necessary as we know now. By summer '20 there were at least 3 very effective (and cheap) therapeutic treatments and now there are a a couple handful more.
This virus is like grass burrs. Easy to kill, but extremely prolific. early/strong/consistent action is necessary ... not late & weak & inconsistent which is what the "approved" treatment is.
BTW ... it's known in the medical community, intubation introduces a HIGH probability of a secondary bacterial infection. When the wind pipe is blocked (swelling or injury), that infection is a secondary concern. MOST CV patients with low oxygen aren't suffering because their wind pipe is blocked. They're suffering because the virus has inflamed the alveoli sacs disrupting the diffusion of oxygen into the bloodstream (and carbon dioxide out of the bloodstream). This is where budesonideworks.com is successful.
It's amazing how "gotta build a billion ventilators" was so successfully sold for so long.
I can even allow for the lacking knowledge early on about the disease ... but by summer '20, there were plenty of physicians who knew how to effectively treat CV. What's equally amazing is the rejection of the fact ... under 70 years of age and basically healthy, CV is effectively NO THREAT even with NO treatment. Yes there are exceptions, but resist the urge to be a lefty who majors on the micro rather than the macro.
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But they are not done with it. They do, being an isolated small co..unity, get "herd immunity", but this only tempers covid to the community as a whole. It would be great if covid was a get it once and done, but they are getting it multiple times. It's bad to survive covid only to die of it when you get it again.
But I do agree that if we are willing to let covid run its course and are willing to see a significant population die then at some point those who survive will be done with it until the next varient.
But I believe lives are important and worth fighting for.
hmm .... I read this as "if you don't adopt Fauci's recommendations, you clearly believe lives are not worth much and certainly not fighting for (sic)"
I raised my right hand and offered mine for yours as have many before me, with me, and since me. Only to allow the very government to eradicate the freedoms for which we were willing to die so that others could keep?
read that as "you're fighting the wrong fight." Are you living if by the leave of the government?
Effective early treatment is FAR superior to this cv jab in saving lives as well as dispatching the pandemic.
Reformed1689
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Jon is it your belief that if everyone were to get vacccinated we could fully eradicate covid-19?
You read wrong.
How you should read it is that lives are important enough not to just allow viruses to run their course when effective prevention is avaliable.
I do not like the idea of a large ederal government because I believe this always erodes freedom. But it is what it is. States have essentially sold freedom for federal funding.
I do believe we have responsibility to protect individual rights within the system of the law. Where the law is wrong this can also be addressed, but it is not the same thing.
So I object to the idea that a minority of anti-covid-vaxers have the authority to usurp the constitutional right of individuals to make decisions concerning their own property or business.
If a business owner wants to require any vaccine (if that vaccine is deemed safe and efficient by accepted science and for a hazard deemed appropriate for intervention by accepted science) then he should have the freedom to do so as long as it is legal.
The reason is twofold. First, that is the owners right. Second, it is the owners responsibility to maintain a safe work environment under labor laws.
Anti-covid-vaxers disagree with accepted science. But accepted science is what determines the safety of a work environment.
Trying to strip citizens of their basic rights is just a new approach as attacking the science has apparently failed (as evidenced by the increased vaccine rates in the US).
ok. perhaps you might consider your post construction as causal.
would you allow that effective treatments to aid the body's immune system is at least equally valid.
ah ... but we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy. The minority gets a say. I mean that's been beaten over our craniums for the last decades when seeking to rationalize church displacing welfare programs.
As it turns out, the minority isn't wrong about the science.
and that decision should come with the responsibility for that decision. Similar to the prohibition against firearms. If the private property owner is going to make that declaration, then they should clearly have responsibility for the security of all who legally access the property. Therein lies the rub, the individual is accepting ALL the responsibility for adverse effects of an experimental agent.
Because you want it so bad to be gone, should not preempt your understanding of not only what is just, but what is ACTUALLY right.
Veterinarians have been seeking an mRNA vax for coronaviruses in the last two decades with at least 5 different species. None have been BOTH safe and effective. This one is no different.
...yes, the problem is the accepted science ISN'T science. at least not science without political agenda.
no one on the anti-cv vax side is trying to strip anyone of any rights. Now you cv vax pushers? Oh yeah.
Completely disregarding the SCIENCE that you can contract and transmit the virus. Wonderful vaccine you're promoting ... ///sarc.
conveniently disregarding some lifelong vaccination experts about the TIMING of the vax programs as I wrote previously.
The problem (regarding freedoms) is not the minority part but the freedom part.
We have the right to look to our own affairs and make decisions regarding the property and businesses we own.
We do not have the right to be employed by any particular employer.
Nobody is seeking to strip the rights of individuals to make their own health decisions. But in a free society each right has some type of consequence.
The anti-covid-vaxers are seeking to strip ownership rights from individuals
Regarding allowing the virus to run its course I agree it is a solution but not as effective as a vaccine. The reason is the death toll and varient production. Varients can arise from vaccines, but the prominent method is infection.
Am I pushing a vaccine? No. I do not care who gets vaccinated and who does not. I am, however, pushing the vaccinated to simply take measures to exclude the unvaccinated from society when they can pose any unnecessary risk and move forward. Who cares if they loose their job? That is their choice. They can find another where they meet the employment criteria.
“Am I pushing a vaccine? No. I do not care who gets vaccinated and who does not. I am, however, pushing the vaccinated to simply take measures to exclude the unvaccinated from society when they can pose any unnecessary risk and move forward. Who cares if they loose their job? That is their choice. They can find another where they meet the employment criteria.”
This is a moderator on a Baptist Board speaking these words. If you saw this written anywhere else……….what would you think of a quote like this??
This is a moderator on a Baptist Board speaking these words. If you saw this written anywhere else……….what would you think of a quote like this??
you keep saying this ... but it doesn't make it so.
there's no effort to strip rights from those who have serious concerns about the mRNA CV jabs.
again ... you are completely disregarding what the pharmaceuticals have published about their own product:
it will not prevent you from contracting Covid 19 ... and ... more importantly ... it will not even mitigate, let alone prevent, you from spreading it.
It will allegedly reduce the severity of symptoms ... to the potential point that you may not even realize you're sick and contagious.
So ... who is the threat to public health? The guy who contracts the virus, runs a fever and stays home ...
or the guy who contracts the virus and doesn't have recognizable symptoms and goes to work spreading the virus?
we need a little more rational thought on this deal.
Another Bay Area In-N-Out Burger Location Shut Down by 'Health Department' For Refusing to Check Vax Passports
Cali. Stripping business’s of the right to operate.
Cali. Stripping business’s of the right to operate.
Reformed1689
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Who determines Accepted Science Jon? SCIENCE is subjective to a degree. And the fact is Covid has a 98% survival rate. It is not a true danger like they make it out to be.
arrrr ... it's so clear to me now ...
you're simply using the law of averages.
it's in your signature:
"People are more likely to be right in what they affirm than in what they deny." F.D. Maurice
so you "affirm" repeatedly with great frequency ... and this, you understand, makes you more likely to be 'right.'
IDK why it took me so long to realize this.
You're a name it and claim it guy! GOT IT!
so what specific actions are anti vaxed taking that is working to strip owners of individual rights?
“Even when the statistics point to the extremely low fatality rate among children and young adults (measuring 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at 25), the young and the healthy are still terrorized by the chokehold of irrational fear when faced with the coronavirus,” Cheah wrote, adding:3
“Instead of facing reality, the delusional person would rather live in their world of make-believe. But in order to keep faking reality, they’ll have to make sure that everyone else around them also pretends to live in their imaginary world.
In simpler words, the delusional person rejects reality. And in this rejection of reality, others have to play along with how they view the world, otherwise, their world will not make sense to them. It’s why the delusional person will get angry when they face someone who doesn’t conform to their world view …
It’s one of the reasons why you’re seeing so many people who’d happily approve the silencing of any medical experts whose views contradict the WHO or CDC guidelines. ‘Obey the rules!’ becomes more important than questioning if the rules were legitimate to begin with.”
https://media.mercola.com/ImageServ...F/mass-psychosis-real-global-pandemic-pdf.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1KmNKYC1l0stjctkGswl6g
“Instead of facing reality, the delusional person would rather live in their world of make-believe. But in order to keep faking reality, they’ll have to make sure that everyone else around them also pretends to live in their imaginary world.
In simpler words, the delusional person rejects reality. And in this rejection of reality, others have to play along with how they view the world, otherwise, their world will not make sense to them. It’s why the delusional person will get angry when they face someone who doesn’t conform to their world view …
It’s one of the reasons why you’re seeing so many people who’d happily approve the silencing of any medical experts whose views contradict the WHO or CDC guidelines. ‘Obey the rules!’ becomes more important than questioning if the rules were legitimate to begin with.”
https://media.mercola.com/ImageServ...F/mass-psychosis-real-global-pandemic-pdf.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1KmNKYC1l0stjctkGswl6g
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Wake up, brother.
Yes, there is. 79 filed a lawsuit to prevent a SC company from making decisions in regard to employment requirements. Governor McMaster is opposed to companies mandating vaccines but rightly says that as private businesses this is their right and he will not intervene.
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