To Be or Not To Be: That is the question of James 2:5

[Yeshua1]

Right, you "deny" God chose for salvation through faith in the truth. Conditional Individual Election is biblical, Unconditional Individual Election for salvation is unbiblical. Saying taint so does not alter the verse.

No, we deny rather that a lost sinner is saved by inherit natural faith in and by themselves, as even that faith to get saved is due to God gifting it to us!

 

[Yeshua1]

But we ought to thank God always for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

It is a lock folks, so false doctrine must be defended by denying verse after verse.

God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the World, and that election was individual and not conditioned on anything we can and would do, hence Grace!

 

[Yeshua1]

Let me fix your problem by parsing out phrases:

But we ought to thank God always for you, Brothers and sisters / loved by the Lord / because God chose your form the beginning / for salvation / through sanctification / by the spirit / and faith in the truth.

God chose you to be saved. How was he going to do it? Through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

It in no way says God chose you forsalvation because of sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. That literally makes no sense at all.

God chose first to save us, and that way would be then outlined to us!

 

[Van]

God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the World, and that election was individual and not conditioned on anything we can and would do, hence Grace!

This view, "individual election before individual creation" is precluded by 1 Peter 2:9-10 when we were not a people before we became a people of God.

 

[Van]

No, we deny rather that a lost sinner is saved by inherit natural faith in and by themselves, as even that faith to get saved is due to God gifting it to us!

Deflection on display addressing the bogus view of inherit natural faith, which is not the view presented.
Note how actual discussion of actual biblical views is hindered by deflection and denial.

 

[Yeshua1]

This view, "individual election before individual creation" is precluded by 1 Peter 2:9-10 when we were not a people before we became a people of God.

God told us that were chosen in Him, Jesus, before the foundation of the world, was God mistaken?

 

[Yeshua1]

Deflection on display addressing the bogus view of inherit natural faith, which is not the view presented.
Note how actual discussion of actual biblical views is hindered by deflection and denial.

Your theology requires there to actually be "bogus " inherited faith!

 

[37818]

Regarding James 2:5, do you really think someone is rich in faith before salvation?

Absolutely. Everyone has beliefs. Now before salvation one has not yet believed the gospel of grace. All knowledge, for that matter, is contingent on hearing and believing. There is absolutely not anything known by anyone, not first heard, and learned without being believed.

 

[Yeshua1]

Absolutely. Everyone has beliefs. Now before salvation one has not yet believed the gospel of grace. All knowledge, for that matter, is contingent on hearing and believing. There is absolutely not anything known by anyone, not first heard, and learned without being believed.

None have in them inherit "saving faith"

 

[37818]

None have in them inherit "saving faith"

The text says "rich in faith." Nothing about the type of faith.

 

[Reformed1689]

The text says "rich in faith." Nothing about the type of faith.

Context

 

[Van]

God told us that were chosen in Him, Jesus, before the foundation of the world, was God mistaken?

Note another change of subject, and no answer as how we could not be God's chosen people is we had been chosen individually before creation. Deflection on display

 

[Van]

Your theology requires there to actually be "bogus " inherited faith!

No quote will be forthcoming, so pay no attention to unsupported assertions.

 

[Yeshua1]

Note another change of subject, and no answer as how we could not be God's chosen people is we had been chosen individually before creation. Deflection on display

You did not answer the question!

 

[Yeshua1]

No quote will be forthcoming, so pay no attention to unsupported assertions.

Where did get your saving faith from?

 

[Van]

You did not answer the question!

Answering questions with questions is the favorite ploy of bogus doctrine defenders. How we could not be God's chosen people if we had been chosen individually before creation? The answer of course is we were not chosen individually before creation, therefore we came into the world as not a people of God.

Really simple doctrine, supported by 1 Peter 2:9-10

 

[Reformed1689]

Answering questions with questions is the favorite ploy of bogus doctrine defenders. How we could not be God's chosen people if we had been chosen individually before creation? The answer of course is we were not chosen individually before creation, therefore we came into the world as not a people of God.

Really simple doctrine, supported by 1 Peter 2:9-10

Answering questions or arguments with: "Taint so" or "deflection" or "see it's a denial" or my favorite, copy and paste another post that doesn't answer the question, is the favorite ploy of bogus doctrine holders who can't actually engage with the text.

 

[Van]

Still waiting for an answer, rather than deflection:
Answering questions with questions is the favorite ploy of bogus doctrine defenders. How we could not be God's chosen people if we had been chosen individually before creation? The answer of course is we were not chosen individually before creation, therefore we came into the world as not a people of God.

Really simple doctrine, supported by 1 Peter 2:9-10

 

[37818]

Context

". . . Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, . . ." -- James 2:5.

". . . ουχ ο θεος εξελεξατο τους πτωχους του κοσμου
τουτου πλουσιους εν πιστει . . . ."

 

[Yeshua1]

Still waiting for an answer, rather than deflection:
Answering questions with questions is the favorite ploy of bogus doctrine defenders. How we could not be God's chosen people if we had been chosen individually before creation? The answer of course is we were not chosen individually before creation, therefore we came into the world as not a people of God.

Really simple doctrine, supported by 1 Peter 2:9-10

We were all born into the sin of Adam, into the fallen state of lost sinners, but still chosen by God Himself, as He chose us in Christ before we even heard of Jesus!