To Be or Not To Be: That is the question of James 2:5

[Yeshua1]

Answering questions or arguments with: "Taint so" or "deflection" or "see it's a denial" or my favorite, copy and paste another post that doesn't answer the question, is the favorite ploy of bogus doctrine holders who can't actually engage with the text.

Van fails to see that even while yet in a lost sin state, God showed his grace towards us by choosing to save us in the beloved!

 

[Van]

We were all born into the sin of Adam, into the fallen state of lost sinners, but still chosen by God Himself, as He chose us in Christ before we even heard of Jesus!

If we had been chosen to be His people before creation, why does scripture say we once were not a people?

I put the question in red because it will be yet another unanswered question from those who do not support their views.

 

[Van]

Van fails to see that even while yet in a lost sin state, God showed his grace towards us by choosing to save us in the beloved!

Every person chosen individually by God based on crediting their faith as righteousness, was in a lost unregenerate sinful state when chosen.

For this poster to assert I do not see that God demonstrated His love for us, while we were yet sinner, (Romans 5:8) with impunity is sad indeed.

 

[Yeshua1]

If we had been chosen to be His people before creation, why does scripture say we once were not a people?

I put the question in red because it will be yet another unanswered question from those who do not support their views.

In the mind and will of God were chosen to become His people, but we actually had a real time in our history when that came to pass!

 

[Yeshua1]

Every person chosen individually by God based on crediting their faith as righteousness, was in a lost unregenerate sinful state when chosen.

For this poster to assert I do not see that God demonstrated His love for us, while we were yet sinner, (Romans 5:8) with impunity is sad indeed.

We were elected by God not based upon ANYTHING we do, but based upon God Himself!

 

[Reformed1689]

If we had been chosen to be His people before creation, why does scripture say we once were not a people?

I put the question in red because it will be yet another unanswered question from those who do not support their views.

If I choose a child to adopt, does he immediately become mine? No. Your argument is invalid.

 

[Yeshua1]

If I choose a child to adopt, does he immediately become mine? No. Your argument is invalid.

When did God decide to adopt us, and on what basis was that decision made?

 

[Van]

In the mind and will of God were chosen to become His people, but we actually had a real time in our history when that came to pass!

The chosen but not chosen absurdity defense. LOL

 

[Yeshua1]

The chosen but not chosen absurdity defense. LOL

When did God choose us? Before or after salvation?

 

[Reformed1689]

The chosen but not chosen absurdity defense. LOL

And what about post #86?

 

[Van]

We were elected by God not based upon ANYTHING we do, but based upon God Himself!

Again and again, the Calvinist proponents deny James 2:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-30 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Mind boggling!

 

[Van]

If I choose a child to adopt, does he immediately become mine? No. Your argument is invalid.

Again and again, the Calvinist proponents deny Romans 8:33 which teaches "adoption" refers not to being born anew, but to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

 

[Van]

When did God choose us? Before or after salvation?

Asked and answered. Why did Paul speak "as to men of flesh" using spiritual milk if men of flesh could not understand spiritual milk. No answer will be forthcoming because the truth is that the Calvinist doctrine of total spiritual inability is bogus.

 

[Van]

And what about post #86?

What about the price of rice in China? See post #92

 

[Reformed1689]

Again and again, the Calvinist proponents deny James 2:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-30 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Mind boggling!

I don't know of any Calvinist who has ever denied any of those verses. That is [incorrect].

 

[Reformed1689]

Again and again, the Calvinist proponents deny Romans 8:33 which teaches "adoption" refers not to being born anew, but to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

Nobody has denied Romans 8:33. You dodged the argument/illustration. Try again.

 

[Reformed1689]

What about the price of rice in China? See post #92

Yeah I saw post #92. It was a ridiculous strawman argument and didn't actually deal with post #86. Try again.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't know of any Calvinist who has ever denied any of those verses. That is a falsehood.

We deny his misunderstanding, but not the verses!

 

[Yeshua1]

Asked and answered. Why did Paul speak "as to men of flesh" using spiritual milk if men of flesh could not understand spiritual milk. No answer will be forthcoming because the truth is that the Calvinist doctrine of total spiritual inability is bogus.

They were babes in Christ, saved, lost sinners do not receive the word of God!

 

[Van]

Four posts in a row, all denying the obvious and in effect saying "taint so."