Can they do such by own accord, or do they need to have the Holy Spirit and His gracing to be able to do such?The lost can respond to the invitation of God, the gospel, and those that do accept Christ as Lord, God will save.
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Can they do such by own accord, or do they need to have the Holy Spirit and His gracing to be able to do such?The lost can respond to the invitation of God, the gospel, and those that do accept Christ as Lord, God will save.
I agree. BUT that in itself is not Pelagianism. AND to my knowledge nobody on this forum has taken that position.If one defines free will as being that we have inherit within ourselves saving faith, and have no need of the Holy Spirit to enable us to exercise that faith in any fashion, that is indeed heresy!
Through (Dia) Faith
IN THIS POST: "To What Degree do you believe
a lost soul Assists God in their "Salvation"?,
I am looking for a percentage and the above quote, of Van's, from another post, seems to say that the "faith" of an individual 100% gains them 'Credit' of The Perfect Righteousness of Jesus, that Jesus Accomplished in His Virgin Born, Perfect Life and Death, Burial, and Ressurection from the dead, i.e., "by way of their Credited Faith", without Conversion, a Blood Sacrifice, or the sinner laying down their Sword of Rebellion against The Trice-Holy God, in Repentance.
How far off am I?
Pel position denies have been affected by fall of Adam, denies Spiritual death, denies sin natures, so is truly heresy!I agree. BUT that in itself is not Pelagianism. AND to my knowledge nobody on this forum has taken that position.
Is the very basis of our salvation the will of God, or our will?Once again a Falselogy advocate has misrepresented the biblical view presented in scripture. Ask yourself, does salvation depend at all on the person who wills to be saved or does something, such as trust fully in Christ, to be saved? Nope, Romans 9:16 precludes that view. But the Falselogy poster falsely claims that was my view. Unspeakable.
Nobody ever said it was not a heresy.Pel position denies have been affected by fall of Adam, denies Spiritual death, denies sin natures, so is truly heresy!
I do not call heretics any who hold to either Arminian or Semi pel views, just full blown pel!Nobody ever said it was not a heresy.
Here is an example of what you are doing by calling those who disagree with you on this thread a Pelagian when they do not hold Pelaganism:
You say Jesus is the Son of God. Jehovah Witnesses say Jesus is the Son of God. Therefore you are a Jehovah's Witness.
Do you not get it? We all agree Pelaganism is a heresy. But you accuse those who agree it is a heresy as holding to Pelagianism because they disagree with you regarding the RCC doctrine of original sin, because they believe all men are drawn and can choose, etc.
The problem here is too many Calvinists have taken to calling members heretics holding Pelaganism when nobody here has expressed Pelaganism.
You said the belief that man can come to God by his own ability is Pelaganism (what you say is a heresy).I do not call heretics any who hold to either Arminian or Semi pel views, just full blown pel!
Semi Pels would see us as being sinners, who have free will remaining, but MUST be first graced by the Holy Spirit to decide for Christ, but full pel deny have sin natures, and hold to full free will!You said the belief that man can come to God by his own ability is Pelaganism (what you say is a heresy).
BUT semi-Pelagianism believes man can come to God by his own ability (which you claim is NOT a heresy).
The problem is you call people's views Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism when they are neither. You use those false teachings as an insult.
Ok, I see. You do not understand what semi-Pelagianism means.Semi Pels would see us as being sinners, who have free will remaining, but MUST be first graced by the Holy Spirit to decide for Christ, but full pel deny have sin natures, and hold to full free will!
Semi pel are those who would hold to us co assisting God to save us, while full blown Pel hold that we can still freely and fully get saved apart from God doing anything towards us!Ok, I see. You do not understand what semi-Pelagianism means.
Semi-Pelagianism is defined in a document titled De gratia. It is a compromise between Augustine and Pelagius.
Semi-Pelagianism (unlike Pelagianism) affirms the doctrine of Original Sin as defined by the Roman Catholic Church. They affirmed the necessity of God's grace to overcome original sin as expressed in this world. Semi-Pelagianism also views baptism as necessary for salvation.
BUT, unlike Augustine, Semi-Pelagianism taught that the innate corruption of man was not so great that men was unable to turn to God via his own natural will.
Semi-Pelagianism holds that men, of their own natural will, turn to God for salvation but cannot be converted except via God.
You have called members views Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism, but nobody on this forum that I know of have ever expressed either view.
3 Types of Theology | Ligonier MinistriesOk, I see. You do not understand what semi-Pelagianism means.
Semi-Pelagianism is defined in a document titled De gratia. It is a compromise between Augustine and Pelagius.
Semi-Pelagianism (unlike Pelagianism) affirms the doctrine of Original Sin as defined by the Roman Catholic Church. They affirmed the necessity of God's grace to overcome original sin as expressed in this world. Semi-Pelagianism also views baptism as necessary for salvation.
BUT, unlike Augustine, Semi-Pelagianism taught that the innate corruption of man was not so great that men was unable to turn to God via his own natural will.
Semi-Pelagianism holds that men, of their own natural will, turn to God for salvation but cannot be converted except via God.
You have called members views Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism, but nobody on this forum that I know of have ever expressed either view.
To What Degree do you believe a lost soul Assists God in their "Salvation"?
None degree. Can a dead corpse assist God in raising it from the dead ?
None degree. Can a dead corpse assist God in raising it from the dead ?
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others... Brother Glen![]()
Semi pel are those who would hold to us co assisting God to save us, while full blown Pel hold that we can still freely and fully get saved apart from God doing anything towards us!
Is the very basis of our salvation the will of God, or our will?
Sound Doctrine.
And all scriptures must reconcile with this Revelation from God.
Can they do such by own accord, or do they need to have the Holy Spirit and His gracing to be able to do such?