DKH, you have labled me wrong, you have called Mee deluded, it is not faulty that we have taken every verse we can and spoken it truthfully to you.
I agree that the "itching ears" may not necessarily be gross sin, but you must agree that to say that "God is love and he loves me just like I am and he made me gay so I don't have to believe what Romans has to say about the practice of my sin." Would certainly fall in to false doctrine.
JUST A SIDE NOTE: I am not UPC and I do not subscribe to the "oneness" doctrine. I believe in the triune Godhead.
DKH if you study the "that which is perfect" in I Corinthians whether you use my interpretation of ultimate perfection achieved in heaven or Jesus "being "that which is perfect". Simple English grammer and usage will certainly cause the reader to understand that this is to be a future event. And since at the time Paul wrote this Jesus had already been crucified, buried and resurrected then, even basic English would indicate that this must refer to the "second coming" which also eliminated the cessationst doctrine.
DKH while you refer to I Corinthians, some how the ooint of "if I have not love" has missed. I have not called you wrong I have simply pointed out the falicy of the misinterpretation of the grammatical usage and general logical thought.
I cannot convince you that my belief is true. Nor will I obviously be able to change your heart. But believe me when I say I'm not sneaking around "high fiving" those who believe as I do. I don't believe that God is pleased when we argue something that doesn't ultimately lead others to him.
You never replied to my comments regarding how my faith has increased. You see when I witness to a lost person, I don't witness tongues. I witness Jesus and salvation by grace through faith in him.
You didn't respond to my contention that "tongues" is not a salvation doctrine. You ignored the comment that the only sin or error that will send me to hell is to refuse to receive Jesus and never accept Him as Savior and Lord. You had no arguement for the fact that my experience with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit has made me all the more stronger in my own faith and desire to know God.
I do not mock your doctrine. I have never mocked our Lord and Savior. I believe with all my heart after much prayer that this discussion falls into the "all things are acceptable but not all things are profitable" category.
Tongues is an issue that is best left to the heart of the believer. Arguing this particular point I believe is much what Paul was talking about when He said "I put away childish things." Sort of a "my belief is more correct than your belief. Reminds me of the my dad can beat up your dad conversations I had as about a 5 year old.
I may continue to read here and possibly lurk in this thread but unless something really strikes my heart regarding this issue I am "shaking the dust from my feet" and moving on.
"I would that you all spoke in tongues, as much as I" -------- The Apostle Paul
I agree that the "itching ears" may not necessarily be gross sin, but you must agree that to say that "God is love and he loves me just like I am and he made me gay so I don't have to believe what Romans has to say about the practice of my sin." Would certainly fall in to false doctrine.
JUST A SIDE NOTE: I am not UPC and I do not subscribe to the "oneness" doctrine. I believe in the triune Godhead.
DKH if you study the "that which is perfect" in I Corinthians whether you use my interpretation of ultimate perfection achieved in heaven or Jesus "being "that which is perfect". Simple English grammer and usage will certainly cause the reader to understand that this is to be a future event. And since at the time Paul wrote this Jesus had already been crucified, buried and resurrected then, even basic English would indicate that this must refer to the "second coming" which also eliminated the cessationst doctrine.
DKH while you refer to I Corinthians, some how the ooint of "if I have not love" has missed. I have not called you wrong I have simply pointed out the falicy of the misinterpretation of the grammatical usage and general logical thought.
I cannot convince you that my belief is true. Nor will I obviously be able to change your heart. But believe me when I say I'm not sneaking around "high fiving" those who believe as I do. I don't believe that God is pleased when we argue something that doesn't ultimately lead others to him.
You never replied to my comments regarding how my faith has increased. You see when I witness to a lost person, I don't witness tongues. I witness Jesus and salvation by grace through faith in him.
You didn't respond to my contention that "tongues" is not a salvation doctrine. You ignored the comment that the only sin or error that will send me to hell is to refuse to receive Jesus and never accept Him as Savior and Lord. You had no arguement for the fact that my experience with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit has made me all the more stronger in my own faith and desire to know God.
I do not mock your doctrine. I have never mocked our Lord and Savior. I believe with all my heart after much prayer that this discussion falls into the "all things are acceptable but not all things are profitable" category.
Tongues is an issue that is best left to the heart of the believer. Arguing this particular point I believe is much what Paul was talking about when He said "I put away childish things." Sort of a "my belief is more correct than your belief. Reminds me of the my dad can beat up your dad conversations I had as about a 5 year old.
I may continue to read here and possibly lurk in this thread but unless something really strikes my heart regarding this issue I am "shaking the dust from my feet" and moving on.
"I would that you all spoke in tongues, as much as I" -------- The Apostle Paul