Top ten reasons to vote Democrat

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Mr. Gillum will kill the golden goose that is Florida. He will add more taxes that will deter businesses from coming here; he will most likely add an income tax on people's wages; he will most likely make the whole state a haven for illegals. (He is already on record not wanting to work with ICE). The guy is a dangerous leftist who will not be good for Florida in any way. I proudly voted against him.

Governor Scott is a good leader whose policies has brought many businesses to the state. I drive up and down the highways and see new business construction all the time. I was also very impressed with the way he has handled the natural disasters that have happened in the last few years. Senator Nelson on the other hand has been in Washington way too long and it 's time he comes home to Florida for a well deserved retirement.

Tell me about his red tide solution.

 

[Adonia]

Tell me about his red tide solution.

I don't know, but what I do know it's hard to change mother nature. He's still one of the better Governors that I have lived under.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hmmm.... my mil and very conservative/ republican person can’t stand the guy... he frauded and Medicare from what I’m told and now he wants to be a US Senator. Right!

 

[Covenanter]

From over the Atlantic things don’t look that special to us when we see what’s playing out over there, that’s why we love our President. We don’t love the party, we love the man who’s showing the party how to lead us from the dark precipice of the New World Order.

We love Tommy Robinson too, who we see getting predictably vilified.
Thanks for your words of advice though, the touchy/feely is a dead giveaway that we ‘need’ progressivism/socialism/communism. It moves ‘forward’ (the slogan of European Marxists, which was then incorporated into the Obama campaign in ‘08) in that order. Where is your country at right now in your opinion?

Your observation seems rather strange coming from someone in a country still saddled by the European Union and ever shrinking rights with Islam and socialism vying for the privilege of completely destroying you. How far back does your stated vision of us go?

My answer relates to my life experience since 1939 - before WW2. The nearest German bombs to my home in Southampton destroyed a house about 20 yards away from the corrugated iron shelter where I, with mother & older brother & neighbours, spent many nights during the bombing campaigns. My wife's house in South London was destroyed. Many of my school friends wore black arm bands, having lost their fathers. My father survived & trained as a teacher after the war.

The post war Labour government created the National Health Service which gave the free medical treatment I needed - I was ill for about 6 months when I was 6-7. There was an emphasis on free education, & access for all to the grammar schools, which previously required payment. My brother & I got a place in the King Edward VI School, founded 1553. I went on to university & gained a B.Sc.

There was tremendous emphasis on building homes, beginning with estates of 'prefabs' which my wife's family moved into. In the 50s & 60s alternate Labour & Conservative governments were competing to build the most affordable houses. Local authorities built council houses at affordable rents.

Manufacturing industry was boosted, & jobs were available to all boys, so those leaving at 14 walked into apprenticeships that led to a career. We could all expect a living wage that would enable us to marry, rent a home, & have children that the wife could care for without having to work.

Then in the 80s the militant Conservative Margaret Thatcher came to power & set about destroying the trade unions, which she achieved by a policy of buying cheap from our former colonies & thus exporting jobs. Further she initiated selling off council houses to the tenants (a good scheme so people could own their own home instead of payinf rent for ever.) However the money raise could not be used for building new council houses, so the stock of affordable homes was greatly depleted.

Industries that had been nationalised under Labour - and their profits reduced taxes - were privatised, & prrofits maximised for the shareholders. Many passed to multinationals. The part nationalised British Petroleum was acquired by Middle East interests. Our water supply is owned by Australians. Our NHS is being sold off to private concerns to be run at a profit & waiting times for operations greatly increased, while funding is at crisis point & it is desperately short staffed. Immigrants make a very valuable contribution.

Now we have the desperate Brexit situation, which threatens extreme disruption & consequences that are anybody's guess. I'm strongly in favour of a united Europe.

Looking across the pond ...... next post -

 

[Covenanter]

My earliest knowledge of America is that it was discovered by Columbus. Then the Saturday morning films & American comics were always cowboys & Indians, where I learnt that "the only good Indian is a dead one." Then in the 50s it was the struggle against communism - the Korean war & the McCarthy saga, & the Berlin airlift, followed by the Vietnam war & all the wars America has waged against supposed enemies. Trump is so concerned with the profits from the war industry that he is reluctant to stop exports to Saudi Arabia. (Likewise the UK Conservative government.)

Colour segregation was a feature. The negro entertainer Paul Robeson was very popular over here - we had his records & my mother sang his songs as lullabies, but then he stood up for working people, not just negroes, and was denounced as a communist. He lost his passport & his career was on hold for 8 years, while he survived assassination attempts.

I rediscovered Robeson in the 90s & gave a number of presentations about him, & featuring his songs & film clips.

We also learnt about the Red Indian reservations, & lack of opportunities - you WASPs aren't indigenous people - you went over from Europe & displaced the natives with vicious slaughter.

Now you're afraid of an "invasion" by desperate people who could benefit from a positive attitude towards their countries. Europe has the same fear - we've destroyed the Middle East & don't want the resultant refugees. Can't we help them rebuild their homes, give small loans to people rather than big loans to governments, so they can set up very small family & village businesses - clothing, smallholding, market trading, engineering, etc.

Now a feature of US policy is Zionism, supported by evangelical Christians & others, with wars being fought, peoples being slaughtered because of a Scofield type misinterpretation of Scripture. Armageddon blockbuster films make a fortune.

And now Trump wants to resume the nuclear arms race.

PEACE & AID, NOT WAR & BOMBS.

 

[atpollard]

We also learnt about the Red Indian reservations, & lack of opportunities - you WASPs aren't indigenous people - you went over from Europe & displaced the natives with vicious slaughter.

Did you study WHY Europeans fled to North America? The part that the Anglican Church played in the Scottish and Irish and Separatist persecutions?

For my own part (as a Caucasian Protestant of Welsh decent), my grandfather came to the United States in 1909 at the age of 7 following the death of his family from lack of health care in Manchester where they went to work in the British Arms industry. So we never even saw a Native American, and there really is nothing new under the sun.

 

[atpollard]

Tell me about his red tide solution.

By 2001, NASA had identified dust from the Sahara Desert as the primary cause of Red Tide in Florida (LINK TO NASA ARTICLE). So any plan to stop Red Tide is going to be a pretty nifty trick ... like stopping Hurricanes. That is just not the Politically Correct answer, so eco-warriors continue to beat the drum against "human pollution". At best, research shows that human pollution MAY exacerbate the problem, but the research that I have seen is inconclusive. So even if we stop all pollution (100% pollution free), the Red Tide would still continue as a natural weather generated phenomenon.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

My earliest knowledge of America is that it was discovered by Columbus. Then the Saturday morning films & American comics were always cowboys & Indians, where I learnt that "the only good Indian is a dead one." Then in the 50s it was the struggle against communism - the Korean war & the McCarthy saga, & the Berlin airlift, followed by the Vietnam war & all the wars America has waged against supposed enemies. Trump is so concerned with the profits from the war industry that he is reluctant to stop exports to Saudi Arabia. (Likewise the UK Conservative government.)

Colour segregation was a feature. The negro entertainer Paul Robeson was very popular over here - we had his records & my mother sang his songs as lullabies, but then he stood up for working people, not just negroes, and was denounced as a communist. He lost his passport & his career was on hold for 8 years, while he survived assassination attempts.

I rediscovered Robeson in the 90s & gave a number of presentations about him, & featuring his songs & film clips.

We also learnt about the Red Indian reservations, & lack of opportunities - you WASPs aren't indigenous people - you went over from Europe & displaced the natives with vicious slaughter.

Now you're afraid of an "invasion" by desperate people who could benefit from a positive attitude towards their countries. Europe has the same fear - we've destroyed the Middle East & don't want the resultant refugees. Can't we help them rebuild their homes, give small loans to people rather than big loans to governments, so they can set up very small family & village businesses - clothing, smallholding, market trading, engineering, etc.

Now a feature of US policy is Zionism, supported by evangelical Christians & others, with wars being fought, peoples being slaughtered because of a Scofield type misinterpretation of Scripture. Armageddon blockbuster films make a fortune.

And now Trump wants to resume the nuclear arms race.

PEACE & AID, NOT WAR & BOMBS.

Hollywood caricaturing of a nation does not good history make. It would be better to note that British subjects started slavery here, not Americans. And British subjects started all the mess with the native population here, not Americans. I have no interest in justifying everything the US government has done, but yours has not been better.

You may have started policy here, but that doesn’t mean you should dictate it now. Come to think of it, you do seem to be trying to interfere with our elections. It’s a good thing you are not working with the Russians and friendly with Trump. (OK, a bit hyperbolic here, but hard to resist.)

Your perception seems a bit off. There are bad actors in this world, but there are worse ones as well. Neither communist socialism nor Sharia law appear to be good substitutes, especially for Christians. Go sell your silly slogans to those other governments rather than our populace. Or better yet, go try to sell them to their citizens. That might be your best history lesson yet, and your last.

 

[Adonia]

Hmmm.... my mil and very conservative/ republican person can’t stand the guy... he frauded and Medicare from what I’m told and now he wants to be a US Senator. Right!

Your guy didn't get what he wanted from the governor and now he's upset and won't vote for him. That's fine. Some of us think we should provide for our families and stop sucking off the government teat. What do you think of that?

 

[Adonia]

Now you're afraid of an "invasion" by desperate people who could benefit from a positive attitude towards their countries.

We give their countries millions of dollars in aid each year, but for some folks that is not enough. A few people coming here would be them just trying to get a better life, but 7000+ people is indeed an invasion.

There have been reports that some leftist Latin American countries like Venezuela have bankrolled this to cause us problems, and I am sure that George Soros has donated money too. I sure hope that President Trump is true to his word and does not let any of them into the country. Enough is enough!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Your guy didn't get what he wanted from the governor and now he's upset and won't vote for him. That's fine. Some of us think we should provide for our families and stop sucking off the government teat. What do you think of that?

We should stop borrowing money from the Communist Chinese then spending like drunken sailors. That’s what I think.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Did you study WHY Europeans fled to North America? The part that the Anglican Church played in the Scottish and Irish and Separatist persecutions?

For my own part (as a Caucasian Protestant of Welsh decent), my grandfather came to the United States in 1909 at the age of 7 following the death of his family from lack of health care in Manchester where they went to work in the British Arms industry. So we never even saw a Native American, and there really is nothing new under the sun.

Your grandfather, being Welsh, should have been digging coal like any good taffie... that way he could have died of black lung, a coal mine collapse, being blown up by dinamite or any of the myriad accidents that happened in that profession.

 

[atpollard]

Your grandfather, being Welsh, should have been digging coal like any good taffie... that way he could have died of black lung, a coal mine collapse, being blown up by dinamite or any of the myriad accidents that happened in that profession.

The Bowen's were all listed as Blacksmiths and Master Blacksmiths on the Census records. That's what brought them to Manchester for the 19th Century Arms Race.

A funny story about my Grandfather, he was refused enlistment in WW2 because his job at the Bakelite company was vital to the war effort. He made that hard black plastic that real old telephones are made of. In WW2, the Bakelite company made the domes that covered the top secret nose radar on the new 'night fighter' aircraft. So a production chemist could not be spared to fight in the war.

He died of lung cancer from smoking and the chemicals he worked with ... a Welshman dying of lung disease because of his work in the war industry just like his father, see there really is nothing new under the sun.

 

[Covenanter]

The Bowen's were all listed as Blacksmiths and Master Blacksmiths on the Census records. That's what brought them to Manchester for the 19th Century Arms Race.

A funny story about my Grandfather, he was refused enlistment in WW2 because his job at the Bakelite company was vital to the war effort. He made that hard black plastic that real old telephones are made of. In WW2, the Bakelite company made the domes that covered the top secret nose radar on the new 'night fighter' aircraft. So a production chemist could not be spared to fight in the war.

He died of lung cancer from smoking and the chemicals he worked with ... a Welshman dying of lung disease because of his work in the war industry just like his father, see there really is nothing new under the sun.

My father also was not called up - he was a lorry driver taking troops & supplies around the south of England . He joined up anyway in the RAF, was trained as a navigator & then to Canada as a bomb aimer. When his active service was about to begin, Italy surrendered & his Wellington squadron undertook the Italian airlift - often flying between the Alps when compressed air kits were not available.

My infant prayer was that Daddy would come home safely. He did & trained as a teacher. Mum also hoped to train as a teacher, but they had another baby.

Both had to leave school at 14, even though Mum was accepted at art college. Grandad wouldn't allow her. He never forgave her for causing him to get married at 17.

 

[Covenanter]

Did you study WHY Europeans fled to North America? The part that the Anglican Church played in the Scottish and Irish and Separatist persecutions?

For my own part (as a Caucasian Protestant of Welsh decent), my grandfather came to the United States in 1909 at the age of 7 following the death of his family from lack of health care in Manchester where they went to work in the British Arms industry. So we never even saw a Native American, and there really is nothing new under the sun.

Yes. I do study real history - of people rather than the big names. Earlier English/Welsh history is linked on the Baptist history forum, so I'll start with the date everyone knows - 1066 when William the conqueror defeated the Saxon king Harold (my middle name) & effectively annexed the whole country, which was divided up among his war lords.

The population became serfs, owning nothing & required to work & fight for the landowners & build their castles. The RCC gained power & cathedrals & churches were built as prestige structures. What the lords didn't own, the RCC did. Common people had no rights.

Wycliffe & others (Lollards) spread the Gospel & the newly translated Wycliffe Bible, hand copied, but this was against the RCC who burnt any copies they could find. Even so, there are over 100 copies in existence. That was 150 years before Luther's reformation.

The Reformation in England was at the will of the king, Henry VIII who wanted a divorce. The church & monastery lands & riches were appropriated by king & nobles with no benefit to the people.

The Church of England continued the policy of the RCC & the Reformed churches in persecuting independents & baptists, though there was some freedom of religion while Elizabeth was queen when the Puritans were prominent.

James (of the 1611 KJV) did not allow freedom, so the Pilgrim Fathers started the emigration to the American colonies in 1620. You may know better than me the extent to which those seeking religious freedom allowed it. And how you gained the land for yourselves as you went west. And the present conditions for the poor, the Negroes & native Americans.

The civil war of the 1640s result in the defeat & execution of King Charles. (Kill one king & you've immediately got another.) The people having fought for their landowners (many Puritans) hoped for a share of the spoils. Levellers & Diggers tried to take over common land for their own use as collectives. The land owners had control of the army, so the people were frustated.

After the restoration of Charles II, there was a serious crackdown on non-conformists & dissenters, who were subject to fines & imprisonment, including John Bunyan & Isaac Watts' father who was in prison for preaching the Gospel when Isaac was born in 1674. The Welsh border valleys (where I now live) became a refuge for dissenters & American baptists trace their roots to this area. Only with the 1689 revolution did dissenters have freedom of worship. Legal marriage was still a problem as only Anglican priests could solemnise marriage, & most insisted on Anglican baptism. Universities were closed to dissenters. Everyone had to tithe to the local vicar.

All this time the common people were subject to the land lords, their hovels were tied to the father being able to work, & children started work at a very young age. Girls became servants to the lords & were dismissed when they became pregnant. Queen Elizabeth legislated against "sturdy beggars" who were fit for work but for whom no work was available.

The oppression of the Scots & Irish have been particularly cruel, but while that is common knowledge, the plight of the English farm laborers & factory workers is less well known. The establishment of work houses for the destitute meant families were separated, even aged couples. Prison for the poor.

Then the farm enclosures, & agricultural land became park for hunting.

They hang the man & flog the woman
who steal a goose from off the common,
but leave the greater villain loose,
who steals the common from the goose.​

New laws support the enclosures & as folk became desperate, many were transported for petty "crimes." The means of basic subsistence was removed from the people, & what mean wages were paid were linked to long hours.

There was a "3 acres & a cow" call, for the break up of estates & distribution of land. Then we had WW1 which resulted in the slaughter of vast numbers of youngsters, including many country folk despairing of farming. Sacrificed for the pride of the royal families on both sides.

The enemy isn't the other side ....
the enemy is the ruling class.​

Remember the the account of the 1914 Christmas fraternization? Some were too slow to return to the trenches, & were shot. I'm wearing a white poppy this year.

In short (!) 1,000 years of monarchy has basically kept the British people suppressed, with little room for initiative & working out of poverty. The 30 years of Socialism after WW2 which My generation benefited from is fast being reversed. Youngsters do not have the prospects we had 40-60 years ago. Profits are being hoarded rather than reinvested in staff & conditions. Students get loans rather than grants - loans that can take a lifetime to repay as employment is limited.

1,000 years of capitalism has failed, & the 30 years of Socialism we are benefiting from is rapidly being eroded. Vote for true Socialist Jeremy Corbyn.

You need a political party that represents the people of America.

 

[Adonia]

1,000 years of capitalism has failed,

Surely you jest. Capitalism has given the world more than socialism ever could. Please answer the following:
1. What great advancement in medicine has socialism given the world? 2.What great standard of living has socialism give the world?
3.What great level of individual liberty has socialism given the world?

The only thing socialism has given the world is the repression of the human spirit by government control over the people and their ability to make their own lives better through their own advancement. Look at my country and all we have achieved in the last 300 years - a level of wealth FOR THE COMMON MAN unsurpassed by any other nation. Even our poor have hot and cold running water in their own homes for heaven's sake! Socialism did not bring that about, capitalism did.

National Socialism was a failure that killed millions!

Venezuelan Socialism is such a failure, the people cannot even buy toilet tissue!

Cuban Socialism is a failure that has brought repression to the people and their jails are full of political prisoners.

British Socialism was a failure, only capitalism finally turned things around. The common man was then able to make money, buy houses and cars, and vacation in the Caribbean. None of that happened under British socialism.

Corbin is a relic from the past, an anti-Semite of the highest degree. It's unbelievable that he could be the leader of a major political party in England in the year 2018.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

By 2001, NASA had identified dust from the Sahara Desert as the primary cause of Red Tide in Florida (LINK TO NASA ARTICLE). So any plan to stop Red Tide is going to be a pretty nifty trick ... like stopping Hurricanes. That is just not the Politically Correct answer, so eco-warriors continue to beat the drum against "human pollution". At best, research shows that human pollution MAY exacerbate the problem, but the research that I have seen is inconclusive. So even if we stop all pollution (100% pollution free), the Red Tide would still continue as a natural weather generated phenomenon.

Delaware and they have coast w/o red tied and I’m closer to NJ

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

... In short (!) 1,000 years of monarchy has basically kept the British people suppressed, with little room for initiative & working out of poverty. The 30 years of Socialism after WW2 which My generation benefited from is fast being reversed. Youngsters do not have the prospects we had 40-60 years ago. Profits are being hoarded rather than reinvested in staff & conditions. Students get loans rather than grants - loans that can take a lifetime to repay as employment is limited.

1,000 years of capitalism has failed, & the 30 years of Socialism we are benefiting from is rapidly being eroded. Vote for true Socialist Jeremy Corbyn.

You need a political party that represents the people of America.

A millennium of monarchy in your country translates to ours needing socialism? That just sounds silly.

The socialism we've already had has ruined the families most affected. It has led to a downward spiral in those communities, with plenty of "benefits" but no incentives to improve, achieve, aspire. Even if everyone could win a big lottery jackpot it would do no good. On the other hand, motivated legal immigrants tend to thrive in our capitalistic land of opportunity, with its individual rights, rule of law, and upward mobility.

Of course, political solutions are not the real key anyway, but rather a resurgence in upholding godly standards and living lives transformed by Jesus Christ.

"Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people." --Proverbs 14:34

 

[Alcott]

Red tied?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Red tied?

This is only relevant if she is Welsh