Top ten reasons to vote Democrat

[church mouse guy]

I am against socialism/communism (same thing). I am also a bivo pastor which means I work two jobs. I do ntothave insurance because I cannot afford it. The current insurance available is in excess of 9 to 12000 dollars a year with an equal co-pay. That does me no good if it doesn't cover everyday medical expenses. With such a high co-pay it does me no good.

It's not that people do not have insurance because they do not work. It is because Obamacare drove the costs up so much it is out of reach even when one does work unless your employer provides it.

I hope that Trump wins enough votes today to straighten out that Obama mess. I am on Medicare so I don't have that expense. I don't like going to the doctor so Medicare takes more from me than I use but you never know what will happen next when you are on borrowed time. Years ago health insurance just covered big events and hospital stays. It was cheap and I don't remember using it.

 

[Adonia]

that there is society & financial pressure on the mother to sacrifice her baby?

No, you have it wrong here. This has become just another form of birth control for women who want college and a career instead of having the baby once she got pregnant. The Democrats say that they want abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare", but their actions in promoting this hideous practice at every turn puts a lie to that claim.

 

[church mouse guy]

Was insurance affordable before Obamacare? Did people with insurance 10 years ago lose out?

The trouble with communism type socialism is that it is imposed from the top down, with the state controlling the means of production & appropriating industry & running it by bureaucrats. Thus the people lose out because control is not local. A better, more Scriptural form of socialism is local cooperative ventures where production benefits the producers, ideally a village situation where strip & rotational farming supports the community, & those with other skills - cooking, preserving, teaching, pastoral care, healing, all seek to serve.

After the English civil war the Levellers - the common people who had fought for their lords sought to establish collectives by farming common land. As far as the lords were concerned, there was no common land.

And the lords make the laws -

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose.

The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who takes things that are yours and mine.

The poor and wretched don’t escape
If they conspire the law to break;
This must be so but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law.

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back.​

Yes, I had Blue Cross and Cigna at various times and it was cheap and good. Obama actually fined people who did not have insurance and the fines were steep. Obama caused some marginal hospitals in rural areas to close for lack of funds. Rural people dislike Obama and socialized medicine. We think the English system stinks.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I hope that Trump wins enough votes today to straighten out that Obama mess. I am on Medicare so I don't have that expense. I don't like going to the doctor so Medicare takes more from me than I use but you never know what will happen next when you are on borrowed time. Years ago health insurance just covered big events and hospital stays. It was cheap and I don't remember using it.

McConnell has publicly stated that to reduce the $1.7T deficit from the Republican tax cut he will push cutting Social security and Medicare.

 

[church mouse guy]

Utterly evil - human sacrifice - but how do we then care for the babies who are born into such poverty that there is society & financial pressure on the mother to sacrifice her baby?

Do we care for the unborn child, while neglecting him once he is born?

Don't fall for that old leftist line. Abortion is used by the liberals to control groups that they don't like. You have to remember that the Democrats were the slave owners, the members of the KKK, the advocates of Jim Crow and lynching, the ones who used the poll tax to suppress Republican votes, the plotters of the dismal welfare state that has ruined American big cities and turned them into crime waves and nothing else, the advocates of abortion and sodomite marriage.

 

[church mouse guy]

McConnell has publicly stated that to reduce the $1.7T deficit from the Republican tax cut he will push cutting Social security and Medicare.

No, he did not.

 

[steaver]

but how do we then care for the babies who are born into such poverty that there is society & financial pressure on the mother to sacrifice her baby?

Is that the reason given by women choosing abortion?

I know several families who are very poor and receive abundant help from charities and the state. when did killing the children become an antidote to poverty. When society discovered they could reach up inside the womb and kill the baby before it was born? Why not just let it be born and then kill it? Same result.

 

[Adonia]

Tell that to the KY coal miners and to everyone working full time who still don't have decent insurance.

No jobs in the coal mine any longer? Then these men need to go get another job - like driving a truck. And you can thank the Democrats for any downturn in coal usage with their "global warming" nonsense. Again, I do not respond well to excuses, and you are the perfect example of someone wanting others to provide the expenses of daily life for them.

There is the "faith based" insurance sharing system that I informed you about before and it is available to everyone. My 27 year old nephew can get a plan for like $110.00 per month which is full coverage and no deductibles but he refuses to get it because he wants someone else to pay for his healthcare. Pitiful!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Utterly evil - human sacrifice - but how do we then care for the babies who are born into such poverty that there is society & financial pressure on the mother to sacrifice her baby? Do we care for the unborn child, while neglecting him once he is born?

And yet they are importing hordes of poor to take care of.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

… A better, more Scriptural form of socialism is local cooperative ventures where production benefits the producers, ideally a village situation where strip & rotational farming supports the community, & those with other skills - cooking, preserving, teaching, pastoral care, healing, all seek to serve….

There is no scriptural form of socialism. Socialism is a form of government. What you are undoubtedly referring to in Scripture was strictly voluntary and strictly within the church, and it wasn’t even church government. This is where you are going wrong--very, very wrong. But at least you are finally admitting that a national socialism isn't the right way to go.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...When did killing the children become an antidote to poverty?...

It’s “the spirit of the age.” --Michael Card.

…
Now every age has heard it, the voice that speaks from Hell,
"Sacrifice your children and for you it will be well"
The subtle serpent's lying, his dark and ruthless rage,
Behold, it is revealed to be the spirit of the age.

The voices heard of weeping and of wailing,
History speaks of it on every page,
Of innocent and helpless little babies,
Offerings to the spirit of the age​

 

[church mouse guy]

And yet they are importing hordes of poor to take care of.

And they are displacing blacks from jobs and housing; for example. 95% of the unemployed homeless 58,000 in Los Angeles are blacks. Since blacks are going Republican, the Dems are frantic to replace them with Latinos, but they are going Republican, also.

 

[Covenanter]

That is a wonderful & powerful song.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

That is a wonderful & powerful song.

I agree. My eyes usually tear up when listening to it.

 

[InTheLight]

McConnell has publicly stated that to reduce the $1.7T deficit from the Republican tax cut he will push cutting Social security and Medicare.

No he hasn't.

Post the quote. Go on...

 

[FollowTheWay]

No, he did not.

McConnell eyes cuts to Medicare, Social Security to address deficit

 

[FollowTheWay]

No jobs in the coal mine any longer? Then these men need to go get another job - like driving a truck. And you can thank the Democrats for any downturn in coal usage with their "global warming" nonsense. Again, I do not respond well to excuses, and you are the perfect example of someone wanting others to provide the expenses of daily life for them.

There is the "faith based" insurance sharing system that I informed you about before and it is available to everyone. My 27 year old nephew can get a plan for like $110.00 per month which is full coverage and no deductibles but he refuses to get it because he wants someone else to pay for his healthcare. Pitiful!

Coal is no longer competitive with cleaner alternatives such as natural gas, solar, wind, geothermal, etc. Trump pledged to bring back jobs in coal even as major coal such as Peabody Coal are going bankrupt.

 

[church mouse guy]

McConnell eyes cuts to Medicare, Social Security to address deficit

But this is what you said that McConnell said, which he did not say according to your source: "McConnell has publicly stated that to reduce the $1.7T deficit from the Republican tax cut he will push cutting Social security and Medicare."

Coal is no longer competitive with cleaner alternatives such as natural gas, solar, wind, geothermal, etc. Trump pledged to bring back jobs in coal even as major coal such as Peabody Coal are going bankrupt.

That is totally false. Indiana is the # 5 coal mining state and an exporter of electricity. Natural gas is more expensive; solar and wind are jokes; Peabody was going bankrupt because of Clinton/Obama and their desire to shut down coal just because. Natural gas is unreliable and cannot sustain the USA in a very cold winter. Your statement is totally false. You would turn the USA into another socialist Venezuela if we followed your policies.

 

[FollowTheWay]

But this is what you said that McConnell said, which he did not say according to your source: "McConnell has publicly stated that to reduce the $1.7T deficit from the Republican tax cut he will push cutting Social security and Medicare."



That is totally false. Indiana is the # 5 coal mining state and an exporter of electricity. Natural gas is more expensive; solar and wind are jokes; Peabody was going bankrupt because of Clinton/Obama and their desire to shut down coal just because. Natural gas is unreliable and cannot sustain the USA in a very cold winter. Your statement is totally false. You would turn the USA into another socialist Venezuela if we followed your policies.

Peabody Energy emerges from bankruptcy protection | Reuters

 

[InTheLight]

McConnell eyes cuts to Medicare, Social Security to address deficit

Please copy-and-paste McConnell's quote where he states he wants to cut Social Security and Medicare.

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