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All men lie, Bob.Brother Bob said:Those are your words, not mine. There is no mincing of words when you question my salvation, by calling me a liar.
BBob,
DHK said:All men lie, Bob.
One's salvation is not in question because they tell a lie.
The Bible states that when people affirm they never sin, then they put themselves on shaky ground by calling Christ a liar. Of course, the most common sin among man is lying.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we haven't sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
And why have you pulled up a post from August 15, where no one knows the context of the conversation at that time, and use it to try and prove your point. What abusurdity!Brother Bob said:I do not lie, and you are breaking BB rules calling me one.
BBob,
I am going to bed. :sleeping_2:
The post I pulled up shows what I said that you called me a liar all the time is true. It serves it purpose very well, thank you.DHK said:And why have you pulled up a post from August 15, where no one knows the context of the conversation at that time, and use it to try and prove your point. What abusurdity!
Denying the testimony of Steaver is the same as calling him a liar.
Think twice before you post.
BBob,All men lie, Bob.
DHK;
DHK: --Mankind is the same all over isn't it?
That is true. And though man has a new nature, he still has the old. Paul describes the struggle between the old and the new nature in Romans chapter seven. It is a continual daily struggle. He did the things he didn't want to do and didn't do the things he wanted to do. He struggled every day. The Christian life is a struggle with the old nature every day. The new nature doesn't eradicate the old nature. That won't happen until the resurrection takes place.Heavenly Pilgrim said:HP: No, mankind is not all the same. Scripture tells us that when one is born again there is a new life that follows. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
You have your interpretation of Rev.21:8. If it were the correct interpretation then heaven would be empty. Not even you would make it. I wouldn't either. It would be an empty place, save for God and his angels.Brother Bob said:The post I pulled up shows what I said that you called me a liar all the time is true. It serves it purpose very well, thank you.
Also, you have denied my salvation several times on your most recent posts, for liars will not go to heaven according to scripture. You can call God a liar if you want, but that is what He said. No liars in heaven. You continue to say I am a liar, so you are denying my salvation.
BBob,
If you theology is right, then we all goners, for you say we are all liars.DHK said:You have your interpretation of Rev.21:8. If it were the correct interpretation then heaven would be empty. Not even you would make it. I wouldn't either. It would be an empty place, save for God and his angels.
Here is the WEB translation:Brother Bob said:If you theology is right, then we all goners, for you say we are all liars.
I believe in a much stronger God than that. My God has all power, both in Heaven and on Earth.
Mat 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
BBob,
You serve God according to your convictions and I will serve Him according to mine. When I have to die, you can't die in my place, so, no thank you but I will follow Him according to how I believe scripture and my own personally relationship with God.DHK said:Here is the WEB translation:
Revelation 21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
cowardly--fearful in KJV, Have you ever being afraid Bob, even the least little bit?
unbelieving--Have you ever doubted in your Christian life--ever?
Are you a sinner? The Bible says that we are all sinners, Bob. You can't excuse yourself here. Romans 3:23. This is one category where all are included.
Liars--Please don't say you have never lied: the Bible testifies to the fact that all men have.
By your interpretation, Bob, heaven will be an empty place.
DHK said:6: And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Does ALL mean ALL? Does that mean that they were sinless. Doesn't the Bible teach that the only person that was sinless is Christ?
The verse then, must have another meaning. For the Scripture clearly states:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Does not ALL here mean ALL.
Is there a contradiction?
I did not say anything about serving God, dying in your place, etc. Why the deflection, and red herrings. I presented to you an exposition of Rev.21:8, a verse that you first brought up, and constantly refer to.Brother Bob said:You serve God according to your convictions and I will serve Him according to mine. When I have to die, you can't die in my place, so, no thank you but I will follow Him according to how I believe scripture and my own personally relationship with God.
BBob,
You said:Dan Edwin said:This is the same for believers in Christ that have repented and confessed their trespasses to be born again by being reconciled to God. When we are born of the Spirit and saved by being quickened together with the Spirit of Christ, we are righteous in the site of God, because the Spirit of Christ (the Righteous One) becomes the life within us.
DHK said:You said:
...confessed their trespasses to be born again...
One doesn't confess their trespasses in order to be born again.
What does it mean to be born again?
Who said you said anything about serving God. It was I who said it. You would think you could at least read the posts. You theology is so far off, who cares. You say God forgives you of all your sins, never to be remembered against you, then you say, God punishes you over sin, of which He said He would never remember. That is not a red herring, that is just plain out and out contradictory. Your theology makes no sense. :thumbs: You seem to be claiming now that I have fear. "of who"?DHK said:I did not say anything about serving God, dying in your place, etc. Why the deflection, and red herrings. I presented to you an exposition of Rev.21:8, a verse that you first brought up, and constantly refer to.
--a verse that you use as a defense to tell others that you don't lie--out of fear it seems like.
--a verse that you appear not to understand--and if you did understand you would have answered the post accordingly by discussing the verse and not with a deflection about serving God according to one's convictions, which has nothing to do with Revelation 21:8
Dan Edwin said:There is no contradiction. In the days of Herod, both Zacharias and Elizabeth lived righteous lives before the Lord, in that they kept the commandments and ordinances of the Lord. That is not to say they had not or did not sin, but if they did, if was not the intent of their will. And they repented of any act of unrighteousness when they became aware of it.
BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD SHALL NOT IMPUTE SIN." (Romans 4:8)
And even if they did sin, they were still righteous in the site of the Lord because He did not hold their sins against them.
Not sure if I have previously greeted you, or not, so if not, "Welcome to the Baptist board!" :wavey:Dan Edwin said:Please excuse me. This word "righteous" is saying, they lived a righteous life in the sight of the Lord; the way we should live life.
Take care, and trust the Lord
My post was thisBrother Bob said:Who said you said anything about serving God. It was I who said it. You would think you could at least read the posts. You theology is so far off, who cares. You say God forgives you of all your sins, never to be remembered against you, then you say, God punishes you over sin, of which He said He would never remember. That is not a red herring, that is just plain out and out contradictory. Your theology makes no sense. :thumbs: You seem to be claiming now that I have fear. "of who"?
BBob,
Then you start on a rant completely unrelated.Here is the WEB translation:
Revelation 21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
cowardly--fearful in KJV, Have you ever being afraid Bob, even the least little bit?
unbelieving--Have you ever doubted in your Christian life--ever?
Are you a sinner? The Bible says that we are all sinners, Bob. You can't excuse yourself here. Romans 3:23. This is one category where all are included.
Liars--Please don't say you have never lied: the Bible testifies to the fact that all men have.
By your interpretation, Bob, heaven will be an empty place.
You just parroted what you have said before.Dan Edwin said:We repent and confess our trespasses to be made alive in Christ (born again) by being reconciled to God when forgiven of all trespasses. We are not reconciled to God to be made alive in Christ, until God forigives us of all trespasses..