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TRUMP: I'm a 'smart person,' don't need intelligence briefings every single day

HankD

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It is an inappropriate "metaphor" as it is unnecessary hyperbole. Further, it shows the lack of concern for our political candidates moral values. It seems to separate morality from the office. It is sad and an incriminating commentary on the state of our country and to include many people who call themselves Christians.
Name one sinless president or politician you have voted for rev.

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Revmitchell

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Name one sinless president or politician you have voted for rev.

HankD

Honestly, I do not get this question. I never said nor implied I wanted a sinless President. What I do want is a President who has not bragged about sleeping with other men's wives while he himself was even married. A series of divorces that looks like he feels he can abandon one wife and move on to the next whenever he feels like it. A president who does not build casino's and those who also have strip clubs (which almost always are associated with sex trafficking.

He has a long history of sever moral depravity largely tied to sex and women. Further, there is no indication, whatsoever, he is repentant of any of this. Holding a concern about this moral character of a President of the United States in no way implies that one wants a sinless President and the fact that such is asserted is yet another sad commentary on our country and Christendom. Seriously, what is the world has happened to us?
 
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HankD

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Honestly, I do not get this question. I never said nor implied I wanted a sinless President. What I do want is a President who has not bragged about sleeping with other men's wives while he himself was even married. A series of divorces that looks like he feels he can abandon one wife and move on tot he next whenever he feels like it. A president who does not build casino's and those who also have strip clubs (which almost always are associated with sex trafficking.

He has a long history of sever moral depravity largely tied to sex and women. Further, there is no indication, whatsoever, he is repentant of any of this. Holding a concern about this moral character of a President of the United States in no way implies that one wants a sinless President and the fact that such is asserted is yet another sad commentary on our country and Christendom. Seriously, what is the world has happened to us?
It seems that some have adopted a Roman Catholic view of sin - Venial sins - not that bad. Mortal sins - BAD.

"The worse sins are the ones we don't commit". Anonymous.

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Revmitchell

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It seems that some have adopted a Roman Catholic view of sin - Venial sins - not that bad. Mortal sins - BAD.

"The worse sins are the ones we don't commit". Anonymous.

HankD


Uh I did not say that nor imply that. Seriously I am not sure why this needs to be explained. I mean, you have no concern at all about the moral character of our political candidates?
 

HankD

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Uh I did not say that nor imply that. Seriously I am not sure why this needs to be explained. I mean, you have no concern at all about the moral character of our political candidates?
You may not have said it but IMO you certainly implied it.

Moral character - Yes by this standard - The lesser of two evils.

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Revmitchell

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You may not have said it but IMO you certainly implied it.

Well attaching "IMO" to it does not make it less than a false accusation.

Moral character - Yes by this standard - The lesser of two evils.

HankD

So let me get this straight. You are saying that if one's great moral deficit is not quite as bad as the others then its ok and should be over looked? Is that what you are saying?

If that is the case then how does that line up with what you have said to me? Haven't you judged one's sins to be worse than the other's sins? Does that not look like a contradiction to the standard you want to hold me to?
 

HankD

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Well attaching "IMO" to it does not make it less than a false accusation.



So let me get this straight. You are saying that if one's great moral deficit is not quite as bad as the others then its ok and should be over looked? Is that what you are saying?

If that is the case then how does that line up with what you have said to me? Haven't you judged one's sins to be worse than the other's sins? Does that not look like a contradiction to the standard you want to hold me to?
Ya. I guess you are right.

Trump/Pierce have promised to repeal Roe vs Wade and appoint pro-life SCOTUS justices.

I voted for them to stop the baby murders.

If they don't keep their word, I voted in good faith. My hands are bloodless.

HankD
 

StefanM

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I'm torn. I can see the value of Trump's position in terms of wasting time.

That being said, even a "smart man," to use his terms, can gain from the daily briefings. If he's as intelligent as he claims to be, then he could very likely come up with possible connections within the information he is provided. Perhaps seeing it from a POTUS perspective might catch something the agencies themselves missed. Furthermore, being highly in touch with our intelligence agencies is a good thing.
 

Revmitchell

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I'm torn. I can see the value of Trump's position in terms of wasting time.

That being said, even a "smart man," to use his terms, can gain from the daily briefings. If he's as intelligent as he claims to be, then he could very likely come up with possible connections within the information he is provided. Perhaps seeing it from a POTUS perspective might catch something the agencies themselves missed. Furthermore, being highly in touch with our intelligence agencies is a good thing.

So how is sitting through a meeting where the information you are given today is the same as it was yesterday beneficial? I do not do it as pastor nor would I as President.
 

StefanM

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So how is sitting through a meeting where the information you are given today is the same as it was yesterday beneficial? I do not do it as pastor nor would I as President.

I doubt that it is EXACTLY the same. Also, there could be subtle changes in the way it is presented, which could prompt POTUS to ask more questions.

If I were POTUS, I'd have the daily briefings, and they'd better be ready for Presidential Pop Quiz because I would be doing a lot of inquiry.

I don't think Trump is wrong for doing it this way. I would just prefer the more traditional model.
 

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I also hope, but I see no reason to be optimistic on this one. He is on the far fringe of don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up.

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An Obama supporter is concerned about a president not attending daily intelligence briefs ?

That's rich. :Roflmao
 

Revmitchell

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An Obama supporter is concerned about a president not attending daily intelligence briefs ?

That's rich. :Roflmao

Obama supporters weren't concerned about Obama not having them. What is more rich is Obama criticizing Trump for this.
 

Judith

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TRUMP: I'm a 'smart person,' don't need intelligence briefings every single day

President-elect Donald Trump brushed off concerns that he's not participating in the traditional daily intelligence and national security briefings that presidents hold every day.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-intelligence-briefings-skip-2016-12

For the Nation's sake, I hope that his attitude about this is temporary.
I did not vote for Trump, but If one is honest that is not what he said in the context of his statement.
 

steaver

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I believe this is metaphor.

During the campaign Trump was riddled daily for not being a moral man with all kinds of allegations piled on his head.

The expectation seemed that the liberal progressives, leftists, NEVERTRUMPers, etc... wanted a saint rather than a sinner.

HankD
You got it Hanker! ;)
 

steaver

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Uh I did not say that nor imply that. Seriously I am not sure why this needs to be explained. I mean, you have no concern at all about the moral character of our political candidates?
Brother, is not your question also a complaint towards God? What about the thoughts and attitudes of the heart, whether good or bad, that God sees and judges? King David was an open womanizer ( how many concubines and illegitimate wives did he have?) and an adulterer, yet God chose him. Did God choose Trump?
 

InTheLight

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Brother, is not your question also a complaint towards God? What about the thoughts and attitudes of the heart, whether good or bad, that God sees and judges? King David was an open womanizer ( how many concubines and illegitimate wives did he have?) and an adulterer, yet God chose him. Did God choose Trump?

Difference is that David repented, Trump hasn't, and doesn't think he needs forgiveness. BIG DIFFERENCE.
 

steaver

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Difference is that David repented, Trump hasn't, and doesn't think he needs forgiveness. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Not sure what you mean by repented. I never read where David gave up his concubines. David was sorrowful that he sinned against the Lord for murdering bathsheba's husband and taking another man's wife, but he still had plenty of immorality going on. Yet God still used him and said he had a heart towards God. We will have to wait and see how God wants to use this sinner called Trump.
 

Revmitchell

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Brother, is not your question also a complaint towards God? What about the thoughts and attitudes of the heart, whether good or bad, that God sees and judges? King David was an open womanizer ( how many concubines and illegitimate wives did he have?) and an adulterer, yet God chose him. Did God choose Trump?

How far we have fallen. Look when God called David he was not any of those things. This is like trying to explain why 1+1=2. If you cannot understand the need for moral character of our politicians then I have no idea how to explain something so basic. Would you also except a lack of moral character in a church leader, given your example above?
 

steaver

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Would you also except a lack of moral character in a church leader, given your example above?
I would not. And God is not choosing a church leader when He chooses the Leaders of Nations. Understand, God chose Hitler as well. Let us try to understand why He chooses the ones He does.
 
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