Trying to live a Victorious Christian Life?

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Another example of a Calvinist claiming to know the state of someone else's salvation.

Doubtful there will be a response, either.

 

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thisnumbersdisconnected

Thanks for the response and the good link by Gill:wavey:
Our theology has some marked differences Dconn. When I can agree or find something positive...I would like to mention that before getting to the points of contention. Thank you for taking the time to offer the good link.
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you do not need to warn me about the length of the link,,,I enjoy the read and verses offered ...even if we come to different conclusions.

One could interpret it that way, Icon, but not in light of the context, as I stated in that post.

I think the context supports my original contention and here is why I say that;

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every Christian's life is a warfare with Satan, and his principalities and powers, with the world, the men and lusts of it, and with the corruptions of their own hearts; and much more is the life of a minister of the Gospel, who is called forth to meet the adversary in the gate; to stand in the hottest place of the battle, and sustain the whole fire and artillery of the enemy

This directive is outward against the enemies of the cross...not inward as in struggling to mortify sin
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By "warfare" is here meant, not that which is common to all believers, who are enlisted as volunteers under the captain of their salvation, and fight his battles, and are more than conquerors through him; but what is peculiar to the ministers of the Gospel;

This suggests an apologetic ministry directed by the Spirit at enemies of the gospel......do you see it?

3] He continues with more of the same.....about gospel proclamation advancing the Kingdom worldwide;

The ministry of the word is so styled, because that as war is waged in defence of men's rights, properties, and liberties, and for the weakening of an enemy's power and possessions, and for the enlargement of kingdoms and dominions; so this is in defence of the truths and liberty of the Gospel, that they may continue and abide; for the weakening of Satan's kingdom, by delivering the lawful captives, taking the prey from the mighty, turning souls from the power of Satan to God, and translating them from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of Christ Jesus; and so for the enlargement of his kingdom, by spreading the Gospel far and near[/QUOTE]

As I said, quite obviously Paul is speaking of the believers' difficulty in consistently walking the Christian walk, and the hope and peace they can yet have as we fight the good fight

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While Paul addresses these other concerns elsewhere...that is not in view here.

3]here he mentions how the Apostles did this....it once again is something external to themselves;

Now these weapons

are not carnal;
such as the men of the world fight with, not the temporal sword; for Christ sent forth his apostles without that, naked and unarmed amidst their enemies, his kingdom not being of this world, and so not to be defended and propagated in such a way; or as the weapons the false apostles used, such as natural eloquence, fleshly wisdom, carnal reason, cunning craftiness, the hidden things of dishonesty, and great swelling words of vanity; or they were not weak and impotent, which is sometimes the signification of "flesh"; see ( Genesis 6:3 ) ( Isaiah 31:3 )

See ...again external and apologetic

As I said, quite obviously Paul is speaking of the believers' difficulty in consistently walking the Christian walk, and the hope and peace they can yet have as we fight the good fight.

In Romans 7 or 1st and 2nd Tim..Paul addresses these concerns.....not here in 2 cor10 however.

 

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Van
Lets see:

1) Learn all Christ taught and commanded.
2) Strive to follow and obey all that Christ taught and commanded.
3) Teach others by word and deed all Christ taught and commanded.
4) Keep your eyes on the prize, "welcome home, faithful servant."[/QUOTE]

:thumbsup::applause:

 

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thisnumbersdisconnected

That didn't take five hours either

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Brevity is not the issue...if you want brevity:

62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

The issue should be clarity.....what to do, and how to do it...might take much more than 5 hours

 

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Brevity is not the issue...if you want brevity:

My point in continually referring to the five hours is that you can spend five hours in misleading preaching -- Prettyman engages in the hyperbole of disparaging what he determines to call "Struggle Theology," as C4K and I have pointed out before -- or you can spend five minutes in studying the theology of the Bible, which is much more satisfying and accurate. Secondly, your reference to Luke 9:62 speaks not of sin, but of the worldly concerns of the pastor. Plowing is not a sin, but it is a distraction from preaching the gospel. Gill points out Beza's back-reference to the calling of Elisha by Elijah.

1 Kings 19, NASB
19 So he departed from there and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, while he was plowing with twelve pairs of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth. And Elijah passed over to him and threw his mantle on him.​

Regarding the Luke passage, after citing Beza, Gill goes on to say:

[T]he ploughman ought to look before him, on his plough, and the ground he is ploughing, or he is not fit to be a ploughman; nor will he make proper furrows, or do his work well; and so he that enters upon the ministerial work, and looks back, and engages himself in the affairs of the world, sets his heart on them, and spends his time in them, that is, to preach the kingdom of God, as in ( Luke 9:60 ). He cannot serve God and mammon, his own interest, and the interest of Christ; he cannot rightly perform the work of the ministry, whilst his thoughts and time are taken up in the affairs of the world.

I have long looked at Luke 9:62 in this way, but I figured you would find Gill more authoritative. :laugh:

Yet again, the context of the earlier verses I quoted from 2 Corinthians 10 speaks of the church, and Gill says so himself. For that one verse to revert to speaking of the unsaved challenges the credibility of the entire passage. It doesn't do so, but remains on-target in speaking to believers.

The issue should be clarity.....what to do, and how to do it...might take much more than 5 hours

Here, you agree with me. I hope it was intentional. :smilewinkgrin:

You'll note, in reviewing my posts, I have repeatedly said that the "how to do it" aspect is hard. The "what to do" is a matter of study, and again, five hours of misleading preaching is not the way to go about it. That latter part will take longer than five minutes, too -- the above was speaking semi-facetiously, to make a point. But the choice is the readers/listeners. However he/she can get the message, the delivery system is unimportant. But Prettyman's five-hour sermon series enters the realm of the unbiblical, and for that reason is to be rejected regardless of how that teaching might otherwise be received.

 

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I will listen to the rest of this series later on today....Lord willing. DID AGREE WITH THE LAST PART OF WHAT WAS POSTED.Not with the first half

 

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I will listen to the rest of this series later on today....Lord willing. DID AGREE WITH THE LAST PART OF WHAT WAS POSTED.Not with the first half

Close enough for government work, huh? :laugh: