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TULIP -

I believe in the following of TULIP

  • Total Depravity

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • Unconditional Election

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • Limited Atonement

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Irresistible Grace

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Perseverance of the Saints

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • I agree with all Five

    Votes: 9 47.4%
  • I do not agree with any of the five

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Other Answer

    Votes: 6 31.6%

  • Total voters
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JonC

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was asking Van, but would say those who are saved are saved by way Calvinism understand it, butg they are still saved!
We do not have to understand how a fuel combustion engine works in order to drive a car.
 

thomas15

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No, Calvinism is based on ignorance, perversion of scripture, and the speculation of humans.
Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue.

It would allow the "elect" to live their entire life in gross sin and unbelief because they are not going to die until they accept Christ and Him crucified.
 
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Yeshua1

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It would allow the "elect" to live their entire life in gross sin and unbelief because they are not going to die until they accept Christ and Him crucified.
None who God intended to get saved will reject being saved by Him!
 

Van

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Do we Calvinists then teach and hold to another Gospel, not saved?
Typpical Calvinist question designed to trap an opponent in a rule violation. This vicious and vindictive tactics are the result of believing in compulsion rather than persuasion.
 

Yeshua1

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Typpical Calvinist question designed to trap an opponent in a rule violation. This vicious and vindictive tactics are the result of believing in compulsion rather than persuasion.
You just rattled off how ignorant and stupid we are who hold to Calvinism, do you see us saved?
 

Van

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It would allow the "elect" to live their entire life in gross sin and unbelief because they are not going to die until they accept Christ and Him crucified.
Sounds man-centered to me, too. A simple rule is whatever charge they make, it is more applicable to themselves.
 

Van

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You just rattled off how ignorant and stupid we are who hold to Calvinism, do you see us saved?
Next, this falsehood poster, I said vicious and vindictive, not ignorant and stupid, posts yet another bogus attack. This is because Calvinism cannot be defended with integrity, therefore the posters post smokescreed.
 

Yeshua1

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Next, this falsehood poster, I said vicious and vindictive, not ignorant and stupid, posts yet another bogus attack. This is because Calvinism cannot be defended with integrity, therefore the posters post smokescreed.
So do we hold to another and a false gospel per you then?
 

Van

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Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue. Luke 18:24

Why does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, if our election was Unconditional?

How were the people of Matthew 23:13 prevented from going in to the kingdom if they were being compelled by irresistible grace?

Why did God choose individuals poor to the world, rich in faith and those that love God, if election for salvation is unconditional? James 2:5.

Why did Christ lay down His life as a ransom for all if He only paid for the sins of the previously chosen elect? 1 Timothy 2:6.
 

Van

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So do we hold to another and a false gospel per you then?
Here Y1 suggests I am not born anew, by repeatedly implying I think he is not born anew. As I said, vicious and vindictive, but this is the only one of the methods used to hide the false doctrine of Calvinism.
 

Van

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Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue. Luke 18:24

Why does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, if our election was Unconditional?

How were the people of Matthew 23:13 prevented from going in to the kingdom if they were being compelled by irresistible grace?

Why did God choose individuals poor to the world, rich in faith and those that love God, if election for salvation is unconditional? James 2:5.

Why did Christ lay down His life as a ransom for all if He only paid for the sins of the previously chosen elect? 1 Timothy 2:6

Why are these questions being ignored? You bet, because Calvinism is unbiblical
 

Van

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I think you could answer that.
Are those who profess Christ yet reject Calvinism saved?
Here is one answer from one Calvinist: If saving faith is entirely a gift of the Holy Spirit, irrespective of our free-willed efforts to believe or disbelieve, as Augustine, Luther and Calvin taught, then those who deny it are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, committing the unpardonable sin.

Thus, the Calvinists charge others with their malfeasance once again!!!
 

thomas15

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It would allow the "elect" to live their entire life in gross sin and unbelief because they are not going to die until they accept Christ and Him crucified.

None who God intended to get saved will reject being saved by Him!

If the theory of Irresistible Grace is correct then it would be impossible for a man to die before he accepts Christ! Therefore, if any man be of the elect there is no need for him to concern himself with the gospel and has a good reason not to because since he is elected to salvation he will live until that time he accepts Christ!

On the other hand, if not of the elect, satisfy the flesh in this life because you have no chance of being saved!
 
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AustinC

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No, Calvinism is based on ignorance, perversion of scripture, and the speculation of humans.
Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue.
Van, most "Calvinists" know the scriptures much better than you. They do not speculate (that is your tactic). They use inductive reasoning by observing God's word, questioning, interpreting and applying. They reveal you as ignorant and thus you are bitter at your failed grasp of God's word.
 

Scott Downey

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It would allow the "elect" to live their entire life in gross sin and unbelief because they are not going to die until they accept Christ and Him crucified.
It does not matter Calvinist or non Calvinist, all their gross detestable things and unbelief and disgusting sins are all of them forgiven by the Christ shedding his blood for them on the cross, when they believe in Him.

You limit the forgiveness and grace of God for His people by what you said.
Colossians 2
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
 

thomas15

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Van, most "Calvinists" know the scriptures much better than you. They do not speculate (that is your tactic). They use inductive reasoning by observing God's word, questioning, interpreting and applying. They reveal you as ignorant and thus you are bitter at your failed grasp of God's word.

Knowing the Scriptures is not the same as believing the actual words contained in the Scriptures.
 

AustinC

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Knowing the Scriptures is not the same as believing the actual words contained in the Scriptures.
Indeed, and those who cheapen God's Sovereignty while lifting up the will of man refuse to believe the actual words contained in the Scriptures.

Let God be true and every man a liar.
 

thomas15

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Indeed, and those who cheapen God's Sovereignty while lifting up the will of man refuse to believe the actual words contained in the Scriptures.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

For that reason you should be a bit more guarded in your comments.
 

Humble Disciple

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Calvinism traditionally teaches that, while election is unconditional, reprobation isn't. Everyone, without exception, is deserving of hell.

It's only by God's grace that He chooses to save some and not others. If He were obligated to save everyone equally, that would be justice and not grace.
 
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