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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jul 9, 2021.

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  1. Total Depravity

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  2. Unconditional Election

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  3. Limited Atonement

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  4. Irresistible Grace

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  5. Perseverance of the Saints

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  6. I agree with all Five

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  7. I do not agree with any of the five

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  8. Other Answer

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  1. Yeshua1

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    No, not in a saving sense calling Jesus their Lord!
     
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    Due to mainly him having faulty theology!
     
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    Some here seem to have only Jews being the elect, we gentiles were not!
     
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    Does not mean the saved will not be sinning at all, but that they will not be living in habitual lifestyle of sinning!
     
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    Jesus was and is very God, could not sin, while we even when saved still fully have that flesh and sin principle at work in our members!
     
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    Never heard of this before, but I think I may be one . I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the info!
     
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    Nevermind. While I agree with the points of ROSES, as I understand them, I don't agree with this:

    "According to Molinism, God omnisciently knows what you would have been like had you lived in Africa instead of Australia, or had a car accident that paralyzed you at age 9. He knows how the world would have been changed had John F. Kennedy not been assassinated. More importantly, He knows who would choose to be saved and who would not, in each of those varying circumstances.

    Accordingly, it is out of this (middle) knowledge that God chooses to create. God has middle knowledge of all feasible worlds, and He chooses to create the world that corresponds to His ultimate desires. Therefore, while a person is truly free, God is truly in control of who is or is not saved."

    Oh well.
     
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    John 1:12
    "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: "

    This is my entire defense before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
     
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    Proof that you never read the whole.
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    You still don't understand...
     
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    Like Calvinism, and Arminianism, Molinism is a name for yet another theology based on human speculation (God knows this even though scripture does not address this.)
     
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    Calvinism is based on Augustinianism, and Augustine was responding to the heresy of Pelagius. Calvin quoted Augustine more than he quoted any other theologian.
     
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    No, Calvinism is based on ignorance, perversion of scripture, and the speculation of humans.
    Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue.
     
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    You are then one of His chosen elect!
     
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    It is a very creative way to try to keep "full free will"
     
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    Actually, think he quoted and used Paul the most!
     
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    Do we Calvinists then teach and hold to another Gospel, not saved?
     
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    I think you could answer that.

    Are those who profess Christ yet reject Calvinism saved?
     
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    was asking Van, but would say those who are saved are saved by way Calvinism understand it, butg they are still saved!
     
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