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TULIP -

I believe in the following of TULIP

  • Total Depravity

    Votes: 7 36.8%

  • Unconditional Election

    Votes: 6 31.6%

  • Limited Atonement

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Irresistible Grace

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Perseverance of the Saints

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • I agree with all Five

    Votes: 9 47.4%

  • I do not agree with any of the five

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Other Answer

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • Total voters
    19
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1689Dave

1689Dave

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I believe points 4 & 5 should not focus on grace forcing good works. But instead Regeneration by grace producing good works according to our new nature. Cats do what cats do, dogs do what dogs do. The born again do what love does.
 
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AustinC

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thomas15 said:
Seems to me if one is as the reformed say "elect" to salvation then all one would have to do is confess Christ is the Son of God one single time...bam!!!

On the other hand if not elect they could confess Christ is the Son of God until the cows come home and still be dammed.
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Seems to me you have never read the Bible and what it says about election. Your ignorance here is obvious.
 
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tyndale1946

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AustinC said:
To each their own. I also prefer Bruce Springsteen's "Blinded by the Light" to the Manfred Mann version.
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To all you old rock and rollers, it was nice to take a trip down memory lane but we all hail a different Rock now and roll to a different tune... Brother Glen:)

Solid Rock

My hope is built on nothing less
than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
but wholly lean on Jesus’ name.

Refrain:
On Christ, the solid rock, I stand;
all other ground is sinking sand,
all other ground is sinking sand.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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MB said:
I don't believe in any of these doctrines.
MB
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You have only 3 choices in the matter os salvation.

1. You save yourself by obedience. = works

2. Christ saves you because you are in no shape to save yourself. = Grace

3. You save yourself with Christ's help but it still remains, you are your own savior.
 
George Antonios

George Antonios

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1689Dave said:
3. You save yourself with Christ's help but it still remains, you are your own savior.
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That's how Leftists manipulate language.
A poor vile sinner of his own freewill believing (nothing more than that) the gospel of the grace of God is not "you save yourself" or "you are your own saviour".
 
JonC

JonC

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tyndale1946 said:
To all you old rock and rollers, it was nice to take a trip down memory lane but we all hail a different Rock now and roll to a different tune... Brother Glen:)

Solid Rock

My hope is built on nothing less
than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
but wholly lean on Jesus’ name.

Refrain:
On Christ, the solid rock, I stand;
all other ground is sinking sand,
all other ground is sinking sand.
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"Roll to a different tune".....you went there. :Notworthy
 
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MB

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1689Dave said:
You have only 3 choices in the matter os salvation.

1. You save yourself by obedience. = works

2. Christ saves you because you are in no shape to save yourself. = Grace

3. You save yourself with Christ's help but it still remains, you are your own savior.
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Guess what Dave I was convicted and drawn to Christ and then I believed. Yes I had a choice i didn't have to pay attention. I could have walked away. I always did before then. You see by the preaching of the word I was convinced of Christ and believed. Belief is a requirement. Yet you Dave was saved with out believing first. why you were just made saved so you could believe before the foundation of the world. You were saved by your so called election. No matter what you would have been saved. What you claimed happened to you means you were forced even though you still hated God. You were saved with out faith.
I think the only reason you post to me is that you want to hear a witness of Salvation. No matter what Dave all you have to do is get on your knees and repent, believe and ask the Lord to save you. If you do this you'll know the truth
MB
 
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AustinC

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tyndale1946 said:
To all you old rock and rollers, it was nice to take a trip down memory lane but we all hail a different Rock now and roll to a different tune... Brother Glen:)

Solid Rock

My hope is built on nothing less
than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
but wholly lean on Jesus’ name.

Refrain:
On Christ, the solid rock, I stand;
all other ground is sinking sand,
all other ground is sinking sand.
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Now ya did it. I got that Larry Norman tune running through my brain...
 
George Antonios

George Antonios

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37818 said:
@George Antonios,
You cannot give me a simple answer how Matthew 7:21-23 is only OT?
Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:11-15, are NT to me.
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The New Testament begins after the death of Christ. The gospels are mainly Old Testament doctrine. Including the Sermon on the Mount.
 
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