TULIP -

[Yeshua1]

Is it possible for an individual to confess that Christ is the Son of God and not be of the elect?

No, not in a saving sense calling Jesus their Lord!

 

[Yeshua1]

Proof of your poor reading comprehension. (See bolded print)
Note that 1689Dave does not say he lives a sinless life, yet that is what you declare he has stated. Your comprehension is poor.

Due to mainly him having faulty theology!

 

[Yeshua1]

Seems to me you have never read the Bible and what it says about election. Your ignorance here is obvious.

Some here seem to have only Jews being the elect, we gentiles were not!

 

[Yeshua1]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

You are espousing the heresy of antinomianism. And do not seek God's righteousness instead of your own.

Does not mean the saved will not be sinning at all, but that they will not be living in habitual lifestyle of sinning!

 

[Yeshua1]

Can Christ sin? How can we sin if we have his imputed righteousness? We cannot sin any more than He can. But we have our own meager righteousness that is an attempt to be like Him in thanks for saving us. But it can never save. And it molests us day and night until we die and the earth dissolves it. That is why we pray "lead us not into temptation".

Jesus was and is very God, could not sin, while we even when saved still fully have that flesh and sin principle at work in our members!

 

[calledbyHisgrace]

MOLINISM: ROSES*
R: Radical depravity – Every aspect of humanity is depraved, but we are not always as bad as we could be.
O: Overcoming grace – God’s grace is persistent in the life of the believer, but it can be resisted.
S: Sovereign election – God desires the salvation of all, but our salvation is based on His choice not ours.
E: Eternal life – God grants believers eternal security in their salvation.
S: Singular redemption – Christ died sufficiently for all people, but efficiently only for the saved.

Never heard of this before, but I think I may be one . I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the info!

 

[calledbyHisgrace]

Never heard of this before, but I think I may be one . I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the info!

@tyndale1946
Nevermind. While I agree with the points of ROSES, as I understand them, I don't agree with this:

"According to Molinism, God omnisciently knows what you would have been like had you lived in Africa instead of Australia, or had a car accident that paralyzed you at age 9. He knows how the world would have been changed had John F. Kennedy not been assassinated. More importantly, He knows who would choose to be saved and who would not, in each of those varying circumstances.

Accordingly, it is out of this (middle) knowledge that God chooses to create. God has middle knowledge of all feasible worlds, and He chooses to create the world that corresponds to His ultimate desires. Therefore, while a person is truly free, God is truly in control of who is or is not saved."

Oh well.

 

[thomas15]

No, not in a saving sense calling Jesus their Lord!

John 1:12
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: "

This is my entire defense before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[MB]

Proof of your poor reading comprehension. (See bolded print)
Note that 1689Dave does not say he lives a sinless life, yet that is what you declare he has stated. Your comprehension is poor.

Proof that you never read the whole.
[/QUOTE]

Can Christ sin? How can we sin if we have his imputed righteousness? We cannot sin any more than He can. But we have our own meager righteousness that is an attempt to be like Him in thanks for saving us. But it can never save. And it molests us day and night until we die and the earth dissolves it. That is why we pray "lead us not into temptation".

MB

 

[AustinC]

Proof that you never read the whole.

You still don't understand...

 

[Van]

Never heard of this before, but I think I may be one . I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the info!

Like Calvinism, and Arminianism, Molinism is a name for yet another theology based on human speculation (God knows this even though scripture does not address this.)

 

[Humble Disciple]

 

[Humble Disciple]

Like Calvinism, and Arminianism, Molinism is a name for yet another theology based on human speculation (God knows this even though scripture does not address this.)

Calvinism is based on Augustinianism, and Augustine was responding to the heresy of Pelagius. Calvin quoted Augustine more than he quoted any other theologian.

 

[Van]

Calvinism is based on Augustinianism, and Augustine was responding to the heresy of Pelagius. Calvin quoted Augustine more than he quoted any other theologian.

No, Calvinism is based on ignorance, perversion of scripture, and the speculation of humans.
Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue.

 

[Yeshua1]

John 1:12
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: "

This is my entire defense before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

You are then one of His chosen elect!

 

[Yeshua1]

@tyndale1946
Nevermind. While I agree with the points of ROSES, as I understand them, I don't agree with this:

"According to Molinism, God omnisciently knows what you would have been like had you lived in Africa instead of Australia, or had a car accident that paralyzed you at age 9. He knows how the world would have been changed had John F. Kennedy not been assassinated. More importantly, He knows who would choose to be saved and who would not, in each of those varying circumstances.

Accordingly, it is out of this (middle) knowledge that God chooses to create. God has middle knowledge of all feasible worlds, and He chooses to create the world that corresponds to His ultimate desires. Therefore, while a person is truly free, God is truly in control of who is or is not saved."

Oh well.

It is a very creative way to try to keep "full free will"

 

[Yeshua1]

Calvinism is based on Augustinianism, and Augustine was responding to the heresy of Pelagius. Calvin quoted Augustine more than he quoted any other theologian.

Actually, think he quoted and used Paul the most!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, Calvinism is based on ignorance, perversion of scripture, and the speculation of humans.
Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue.

Do we Calvinists then teach and hold to another Gospel, not saved?

 

[JonC]

Do we Calvinists then teach and hold to another Gospel, not saved?

I think you could answer that.

Are those who profess Christ yet reject Calvinism saved?

 

[Yeshua1]

I think you could answer that.

Are those who profess Christ yet reject Calvinism saved?

was asking Van, but would say those who are saved are saved by way Calvinism understand it, butg they are still saved!