Featured Two principle NT issues.

Is there a textual note in the KJV at Revelation 19:21? That is why I posted the passage from Luke. The original 1611 KJV translators left a marginal note stating "this.36. verse is wanting in most of the greek copies".
You can view more here..."KJV Only" advocates refuted!

 

So how do you decide which one is real?
Do you count numbers of manuscripts? Is that your preference?

Remember these words...
"It is not a matter one's preference."

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How many manuscripts read "Son" before the 5th century?


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How many manscripts read υίος between 5th and 9th century?



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17 uncials and 2 minuscules 1424 having a date of 9th-10century. I do not see 33 (queen of the cursives) listed at all. C was corrected to Son. L (8th) has God.

 

The Nkjv uses same source texts as Kjv though, just updated grammar!

 

There is NO Greek text used that is an exact copy of the originals then, correct?

 

Isn't a rule of textual criticism though is that the oldest and the one that seems "different" is to be preferred?

 

C was then corrected back to "God".

33 reads God.

How many of your 19 is 9th century?


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I hope no one minds me joining the conversation. There are seven Greek manuscripts which read θεός.

According to the sources they are: p66, p75, ℵ*, B, C, L, 33. Five of those do not have the article (i.e. p66, ℵ*, B, C, L).

 

K 9th. E 8th. F 9th. G 9th. H 9th. S 6th. Y 9th. Omega 9th. A 5th. W 5th, but John 1:1-5:11 are a supplement from a later hand, probably to replace a quire that was lost. NT Manuscripts - Uncials
C corrector (The corrector C1 was the original corrector, but made very few changes. C1 is not once cited in NA27.) Corrector C2 is though to have worked in the sixth century or thereabouts; C3 performed his task around the ninth century. NT Manuscripts - Uncials
M 9th. U 9th. Delta 9th. Theta 9th. Lambda 9th. Phi 9th. Psi 8th/9th. And the 2 minuscules are from the 9th.

It just so happens to be the vast majority of our surviving Greek New Testament Uncial Manuscripts are from the 9th century.

 

Don't mind at all and welcome! Could we get a double check on 33? It's been cited both ways.

 

Well, at least now we have someone from the time period.

Origen, welcome to the Baptist Board.

 

All the apparatuses list 33. The Institute for New Testament Textual Research does not provide a pic of the manuscript.


However at the right side it does provide the Greek text and it does have θεός.

 

Codex S is 10th century. The date is literally written on it. 949

Psi is also 9th/10th

You are down to 2. You claimed earlier that my statement that "son was not wide spread until 9th century" was false. Yet you only proved to manuscripts that read son before the 9th?

Leading up to the council of Nicea arguments were being fought over the words μονογενης θεος for 1:18. The church fathers had this reading. The coptic and Arabic exclusively read "God". The reason the read of "God" was suppressed was the activity of Islam. The Byzantine was able to become dominant due to this activity.



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Thank you for the double check Origen!

 

Thank you.