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Unable to Believe the “Foolish” Gospel
- Thread starter Dougcho
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This is typical Vanology. See
Not only this, but the NT explains ...
he/she is an enemy of God, wants nothing to do with God, etc. etc.
2Co 4:3 -4
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they will not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
1) How has the gospel message been veiled? There minds were blinded, thus initially able to understand. They were blinded (their hearts were hardened) so they could not see the light. Thus they were "Soil #1" types described in Matthew 13.
2) Who are the ones "perishing?" Those who understood and then rejected the gospel.
Does anyone see an answer to my questions?
Does anyone think errant views can be hid under a stream of insult?
While it is true that every lost person is condemned, thus perishing, and every lost person's name has not be written in the Lamb's book of life, the contextual scope of 1 Corinthians 4:3-4 is limited to those who have rejected the gospel, thus it is foolishness to them. There are the ones who do not understand their current condemned status, facing eternal punishment, and therefore think they do not need a Savior.
Brightfame52
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They blinded by the god of this world, and the Gospel is hid to the lost. The word hid means:
- to hinder the knowledge of a thing
And you cant believe what you dont know. Also its in the perfect tense, a action completed in past with continuing results. So as long as one is in a lost condition the gospel is hid from them. And we are by nature born blinded by the god of this world, so naturally we have never been able to believe the Gospel
LOL, did anyone say the gospel was not "hid" from Soil #1 types? Noped
Brightfame52
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Pay no attention to this denial of the obvious. Scriptures some names had not been written in the Lamb's book of Life since the foundation of the world. It does not say names were written then erased. Therefore by logical necessity, names are written in the Lamb's book of life, when they are made alive together with Christ. To claim people belong to Christ, yet their names have not been written is nonsense.
And it does not say it is hid from "all" the lost. Your doctrine is simply an unwarranted addition to scripture, making scripture to no effect.
37818
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Sounds like you've got things backwards ...
thinking foolishness comes first, followed by rejecting the Gospel.
It's foolishness to them because they are simply
unable to break free from their hopeless spiritual condition, which is:
having a sin nature + being a captive (slave) of Satan.
Both of these foster enmity of God, disinterest in God, etc.
Ref: the NT
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Brightfame52
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How would the gospel be foolishness if they had never heard it? Your doctrine gets a lot of things backwards. Thus when viewed from that lens, the correct sequence appears backwards.
Again you reference a "hopeless spiritual condition" causing the lost to be unable to seek eternal life. The view is simply unbiblical.
On and on, poster after post argues that many of the lost do not seek to find the way to eternal life.
They claim the fields white for harvest are comprised of the lost who hate God.
And finally they claim the gospel is foolishness to them before they have heard it. I kid you not.
They claim the fields white for harvest are comprised of the lost who hate God.
And finally they claim the gospel is foolishness to them before they have heard it. I kid you not.
Sir, some of the lost are unable to understand the gospel, but "many" of the lost are able to understand and respond appropriately to the spiritual milk of the gospel. Changing to the subject to the meaning of "foolishness" will not alter that truth.
In 2 Corinthians 11:1-3 Paul puts forth a rather graphic illustration which he terms a bit of "foolishness" but the illustration conveys the potential of our initial pure devotion to Christ may become corrupted. The idea is not that the illustration is hard to understand, but rather hard to apply to ourselves, thus our pride might generate a response of "why that is silly, I am not vulnerable to that sort of stumble.
Bottom line, for the gospel to appear as foolishness, a person must generate that response to hearing the gospel.
This is typical Vanology. See
When you conflate 1 Cor 2:14 with 1 Cor 3:1-2 you get this Vanology rewrite:
14 Now babes in Christ receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto them; and they cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2
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