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Unable to Believe the “Foolish” Gospel

Brightfame52

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@Van

Sir, some of the lost are unable to understand the gospel, but "many" of the lost are able to understand and respond appropriately to the spiritual milk of the gospel.

How can a unregenerate person w/o the Spirit and life respond appropriately to spiritual milk ? Spiritual milk is for new born babes,born spiritually 1 Pet 1:23-25;2:1

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1 Pet 2:1-2


Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: The Gospel is preached to the born again
 

Dave G

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The Gospel is preached to the born again
It's preached to all, my friend.
It's believed by the born-again, God's elect, the ones ordained to eternal life:


" For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
" ( Romans 1:16-17 )


" And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region." ( Acts 13:48-49 )

Is it not? ;)
 
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Brightfame52

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@Dave G

It's preached to all, my friend.

Not as a word of Salvation. God sends it as a word of Salvation to them that fear God which are the regenerated Acts 13:26

26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

Also I showed that in the 1 Pet 1-2 passage, it was to them who were born again of incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23 that the word of the Gospel was preached 1:25

It was them who had been sanctified by the Spirit in 2 Thess 2:13 who was called by the Gospel Vs 14


13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you[ the chosen sanctified] by our gospel
, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now to all others dead in sin, its a message of death 2 Cor 2:15-16

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death
; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
I agree, and I did not say that.
I meant that Christ crucified for sinners should be preached to all;

We know who it is that will believe it.;)
I agree that the Gospel is preached to all, even if its just for a witness/testimony Matt 24:14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 

Dougcho

Member
I agree that the Gospel is preached to all, even if its just for a witness/testimony Matt 24:14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.
While I was evangelizing in Eastern Europe about 20 years ago,
the Lord told me that there was a second reason for Him sending me:
He did not want many people on Judgment Day saying to Him,
"No one told me about this!"
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
That's exactly what it says right there in John 3, just down from John 3:16.
I take that bold portion of verse 21 as a testimony that my believing in Jesus Christ is a manifested work of God alone and certainly why we should give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for our faith in Jesus Christ.
Absolutely.
Faith is a fruit of the Spirit per Galatians 5:22-23 & faith comes by hearing the word of the gospel Romans 10:17 just as the promise of the Holy Spirit is received at the hearing of the word per Acts 10:43-44 and so our believing in Him is a manifested work of God which is why no saved believer needs a sign of proof that they have the Holy Spirit when faith is a fruit of the Spirit for how we are believing in the Lord Jesus Christ & the God has raised Him from the dead.
Very good. Yes. Right.
That is why the Father has to draw sinners unto the Son as our sinful nature cannot seek after God
Eternal Truth.
So definitely we have no room for boasting of our intellect for believing in Jesus Christ to save ourselves as the Father is able to save the life of the unborn along with the retarded, the mentally ill, and the simple as the father gives them to the Son
Absolutely True.
So thanks to Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd & Friend, He is helping me to follow Him & His words by faith in Jesus Christ by making me away of the weights ( provisions for the flesh ) as well as the sins to lay aside daily in thought, word, and deed as He is enabling me to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
Well, GLORY!!
And certainly, the decision to believe in Jesus Christ is a manifested work of God for why no flesh shall glory in His Presence.
RIGHT ON!!
1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
"He that glorieth,
let him glory in the Lord."
 

Van

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This is typical Vanology. See

When you conflate 1 Cor 2:14 with 1 Cor 3:1-2 you get this Vanology rewrite:

14 Now babes in Christ receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto them; and they cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2
Note the response to contextual interpretation, clear biblical doctrine is called "vanology."
Note the post addresses the poster and does not address that Paul spoke to "men of flesh" using spiritual milk.
Note the verse does not say "all the things of the Spirit of God!!" Clearly "men of flesh" (the lost) cannot understand spiritual solid food (meat) but can understand spiritual milk which include the fundamentals of the gospel.

How do the "many" seek eternal life and a "few" find it if they are unable to understand spiritual milk?

How were those who were actually "entering" the kingdom prevented from entry by false teachers, if they had not understood partially the milk of the gospel, when their quest was derailed by false teachers?

I could go on and on with verse after verse where the lost seek eternal life. The denial of this basic biblical truth is unstudied nonsense.
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
@Van

that Paul spoke to "men of flesh" using spiritual milk.

False, they were spiritual but still had the carnal flesh,but their reception of truth was via being spiritual. He told them same people 1 Cor 2:10-14

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If they were only natural men in the flesh, they couldnt receive the things of God.

They had the Spirit in them as Per 1 Cor 6:19

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Anyone who has the Spirit in them Paul says they are not in the flesh Rom8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So you need to repent of that falsehood
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Brother, I truly don't mean to bother you, but you didn't answer the question. What about Cain


This should serve as a start for beginning to learn more about Cain's situation.

The Cause of God and Truth.
by John Gill
Part 1
SECTION I.

If thou dost well, shalt thou not be accepted?", etc. - Genesis 4:7.

I. It will be proper to inquire, whether a wicked, an unregenerate man, as was Cain, can perform good works.

"To which may be answered,
1. Adam had a power to do every good work the law required;
which men, since the fall, have not. Men indeed, in an unregenerate state, might do many things which they do not; such as reading the Scriptures, attending on public worship, etc.

"No doubt but the persons in the parable, who were invited to the dinner, could have
gone to it, had they had a will, as well as the one did to his farm, and
the other to his merchandise.

"Men have an equal power, had they an
heart, a will, an inclination, to go to a place of divine worship, as to a
tavern, or alehouse; but it is easy to observe, that persons oftentimes
have it in the power of their hands, when they have it not in the power of their hearts, to do a good work; as a rich man to give alms to the poor. Unregenerate men are capable of performing works,
which are in a natural and civil, though not in a spiritual sense, good.

"They may do those things, which externally, in appearance, and as to
the matter and substance of them, may be good; such as hearing,
reading, praying, giving alms to the poor, etc., when the circumstances requisite to good works are wanting; for whatsoever is done as a good work, must be done in obedience to the will of God;
from a principle of love to him; must be performed in faith; in the
name of Christ, and to the glory of God by him.

"Therefore,
2. It must be denied, that wicked, unregenerate men, have a
power to perform good works in a spiritual manner; which is evident
from their natural estate and condition, according to the scriptural
representation of it, which is this: that the bias of their minds is to that which is evil, and to that only; that they are wholly carnal, and mind nothing else but the things of the flesh; that they are weak and strengthless, yea, dead in trespasses and sins; nay, that they are under an impossibility to do that which is spiritually good; There is none that doeth good, no, not one of them, nor are they able; they
are not subject to the law of God, nor can they be. When the Ethiopian changes his skin, and the leopard his spots, then may
they also do good, who are accustomed to do evil. Men may expect
as soon to gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles, as good fruit to
grow upon, or good works to be performed by, unregenerate men;
no, they must be created in Christ Jesus, have the Spirit of Christ put
into them, and his grace implanted in them; they must be believers
in him, before they are capable of doing that which is spiritually
good."

3. Is there any foundation for such a proposition in these words,
which are hypothetically expressed, and therefore nothing absolutely
to be concluded from them; that is to say, we are not to argue from
God’s saying to Cain, If thou dost well, therefore Cain had a power to
do well, or to do that which is spiritually good, well; much less
should we infer from hence, as one does, that "God could not have
proposed the doing of good as a condition, if he had not given Cain
sufficient strength whereby he was capable to do good."1 Since God
could not only have proposed the doing of good, but have required it
according to his law, without being under obligation to give sufficient
strength to obey; for though man by his sin has lost his power to obey
the will of God in a right manner, yet God has not lost his authority
to command; which he may use without obliging himself to find man
sufficient strength to act in obedience to it.

"Besides,
4. These words regard doing well, not in a moral, but in a ceremonial sense. Cain and Abel were very early taught the necessity, manner, and use of sacrifices; and in process of time they brought
their offerings to the Lord, each according to his different calling and
employment; the one brought of the fruit of the ground, the other of
the firstlings of his flock.

"Now to Abel and his offering the Lord had respect, that is, he accepted him and his offering; but to Cain and his
offering he had not respect; which made Cain very wroth, and his countenance fell; upon which the Lord expostulates with him after this manner, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance
fallen? If thou dost well, e,an ovrqw/j prosene,gkh|j, If thou hadst
offered rightly, as the Septuagint renders the words which though it
is not a proper literal translation of them, yet agreeable enough to
their sense, shouldst thou not be accepted?

"Cain failed either in the
matter or manner of his sacrifice; probably in the latter; since the
author of the Epistle to the Hebrews observes, that by faith, Abel
offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain. (Heb. 11:4)

"Cain offered his sacrifice without faith, without any view to the sacrifice of Christ:
he performed this his sacrifice hypocritically, in show and
appearance only; he acted from no right principle, nor to any right end; and therefore his works, whatever show of righteousness they might have, are, by the apostle John, (1 John 3:12) rightly called evil;

"as are also all the works of wicked and unregenerate men."
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Brother, I truly don't mean to bother you, but you didn't answer the question. What about... the Rich Young Ruler?

Mark 10:21
"Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

"Then Jesus, beholding him, loved him,...."

"Not as God, with that special love, with which he loves his people, who were given him by the Father, are redeemed by his blood, whom he calls by his grace, justifies by his righteousness, forgives their iniquities, and, at last, glorifies:

"but as man, he had an human affection for him; so far as there was any appearance of moral good in him, it was agreeable to him, who loves righteousness, and hates iniquity;


"and though the young man betrayed much vanity, pride, and conceit, he did not use him roughly, but kindly, and tenderly; he beheld him, he looked wistly upon him, when he said the above words; which look intimated, that he could not believe he had perfectly, and completely kept all the commandments;

"however, he did not choose to reproach him with a lie, and charge him with pride and arrogance, but gave him good words, and spoke friendly to him; and, as far as he could, commended him for his diligence in observing the commands."

 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
Any preaching of Christ and what He has done that is not as specific and definite as what He did, will always lead to some form of universalism. The angel in Matthew 1:21 declared election when he said of the Lord Jesus, "...He shall save His people from their sins"; and Christ also preached election when He proclaimed, "I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep"; and "...I lay down My life for the sheep" (Jn. 10:11,15). Christ had no problem speaking of election to His disciples and the unregenerate: "Jesus proclaimed the election that is of grace and the Gospel of grace before large congregations of lost people. He did not try to hide the elective grace of God. To a large crowd of more than 5,000 He declared, "All that the Father giveth Me shall come to me...and this is the Father’s will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (Jn. 6:37-39). On another occasion Jesus was speaking to a congregation of people among whom were lost folk. He said to some of them: "...ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep..." (Jn. 10:26). He then proceeded to say unto them: "My sheep hear My voice..." (Jn. 10:27)." Those who frown upon the preaching of the doctrine of election to the lost, who condemn us for preaching the election of grace as part of the Gospel when the lost are present, are obliged to condemn the angel’s declaration in Matthew as well as the preaching of Jesus and the apostles, for they never kept the light of the Gospel of grace hidden away in some sanctified corner. As we have seen, election is a doctrine of grace that the Gospel of grace cannot do without and therefore it MUST be preached as part of that Gospel.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Any preaching of Christ and what He has done that is not as specific and definite as what He did, will always lead to some form of universalism. The angel in Matthew 1:21 declared election when he said of the Lord Jesus, "...He shall save His people from their sins"; and Christ also preached election when He proclaimed, "I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep"; and "...I lay down My life for the sheep" (Jn. 10:11,15). Christ had no problem speaking of election to His disciples and the unregenerate: "Jesus proclaimed the election that is of grace and the Gospel of grace before large congregations of lost people. He did not try to hide the elective grace of God. To a large crowd of more than 5,000 He declared, "All that the Father giveth Me shall come to me...and this is the Father’s will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (Jn. 6:37-39). On another occasion Jesus was speaking to a congregation of people among whom were lost folk. He said to some of them: "...ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep..." (Jn. 10:26). He then proceeded to say unto them: "My sheep hear My voice..." (Jn. 10:27)." Those who frown upon the preaching of the doctrine of election to the lost, who condemn us for preaching the election of grace as part of the Gospel when the lost are present, are obliged to condemn the angel’s declaration in Matthew as well as the preaching of Jesus and the apostles, for they never kept the light of the Gospel of grace hidden away in some sanctified corner. As we have seen, election is a doctrine of grace that the Gospel of grace cannot do without and therefore it MUST be preached as part of that Gospel.
It’s not being preached though. For example, my wife asked me what qualifying question to ask pastors she was interviewing and I told her to ask them to give a five minute description of Election….most won’t or can’t do it or say that’s a Calvinist doctrine that they don’t teach. Well, that answers my question, thanks for your time & end of discussion. See ya… LOL.
 
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