Diggin in da Word
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No, I am not Chruch of Christ. I am baptist. Would you like to call some of the members of my congregation to affirm this?
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Under Grace or Under Law?
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Diggin in da Word
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that word believeth is an action word. Faith without works is dead.
One can say I believe that chair is strong enough to support me, but if one never sits in that chair, what proof is thereof thefaith?
One must put on Christ, be submitted to His Word and His commandments. Yes, I said His Commandments. If we say we know Him (have a relationship with Him) and keep not His commandments, the truth is not in us.
Many rely on their faith to grant them access to heaven when the truth be told, their faith is dead.
Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandments. So, that in itself is a commandment of the Lord. A commandment to keep His commandments.
Jesus is able to present you as holy and unblameable and unreproveable, but only if you continue in the faith grounded and settled. Suicide is not grounded and settled. Nor is condoning sin by saying I can sin and still go to heaven.
One can say I believe that chair is strong enough to support me, but if one never sits in that chair, what proof is thereof thefaith?
One must put on Christ, be submitted to His Word and His commandments. Yes, I said His Commandments. If we say we know Him (have a relationship with Him) and keep not His commandments, the truth is not in us.
Many rely on their faith to grant them access to heaven when the truth be told, their faith is dead.
Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandments. So, that in itself is a commandment of the Lord. A commandment to keep His commandments.
Jesus is able to present you as holy and unblameable and unreproveable, but only if you continue in the faith grounded and settled. Suicide is not grounded and settled. Nor is condoning sin by saying I can sin and still go to heaven.
Brother Bob
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You got a thing with lying. "believeing" from the heart, is what it takes, entails a several things and among those is repentance.
Somebody is not reading my posts, I see (probably a lot of peopleBrother Bob said:
).This is what I have already said two or three times, yet.
"Faith" includes repentance.
One need not separate them all into little separate "works" such as the Church of Christ does.
When one "believes" he repents at the same time. Faith includes the act of repentance. One goes with the other. Thus when Peter said: Whosoever believes on his name shall have remission of sins, "believe" included repentance.
Brother Bob
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I never meantthat as a personal attack at all. You do bring up lying in seems like every other post is why I said that. I said it because it seems to be on your mind all the time. It is fact, not a personal attack at all. If you take it personal then I apologize. You see, in your mind its a sin. Well, I never meant it in no harmful way and I don't consider it sin at all. See why I would not want to live your life? You always on the defense.
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Absolutely correct! One does not have any problem with this until one tries to 'backload' "Repent of/from (your) sins" into the Scriptures, a phrase that is never found in Scripture, which simple truth seems to elude so many!DHK said:Somebody is not reading my posts, I see (probably a lot of people
This is what I have already said two or three times, yet.
"Faith" includes repentance.
One need not separate them all into little separate "works" such as the Church of Christ does.
When one "believes" he repents at the same time. Faith includes the act of repentance. One goes with the other. Thus when Peter said: Whosoever believes on his name shall have remission of sins, "believe" included repentance.
Repentance is said to be 'directed' in only two ways in Scripture, and in both cases is tied to faith - "Repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ", and "of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God." It is where this "change of mind" (or thinking) is aimed, according to Scripture, many thousands of Baptist preachers not withstanding!
"Godly sorrow is said to "work" repentance (II Cor. 7:10) and the "goodness of God" is the only thing ever said in Scripture to lead one to repentance. (Rom. 2:4)
Whoops! Almost forgot! It is much easier to wanna' talk about someone's sins though. (Especially if they are not our own!)
Kinda' gives us a fallible standard to compare ourselves with.Ed
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EdSutton said:
I have never heard of that ever... this idea that faith is tied to repentence? What is your idea of dead works? and why would you say that anyway? arent there verses in the bible with baptism and repentence? Im not understanding what you mean anyway, but I figure if I ask these things maybe it will enlighten me
Acts:26:20: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
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Mt:9:13: But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mk:1:4: John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Lk:3:8: Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Lk:24:47: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts:5:31: Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
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Mt:9:13: But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mk:1:4: John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Lk:3:8: Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Lk:24:47: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts:5:31: Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Brother Bob
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Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The rich man in hell advocated a better repentance than some on this board!!
Brother Bob
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You mean the Lord told them to repent but not to repent of all their sins? What we getting into now?
Isa 1:18¶Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Eze 18:30¶Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn [yourselves] from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
Say Amen, come on now Say Amen.
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2Cor:7:10: For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Heb:6:6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb:12:17: For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Mt:3:8: Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance
Heb:6:6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb:12:17: For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Mt:3:8: Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance
Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
well if it says He came to call homewreckers to repentence what would you think He meant?
well if it says He came to call homewreckers to repentence what would you think He meant?
Rv:2:21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rv:2:22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rv:9:20: And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rv:9:21: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Rv:2:22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rv:9:20: And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rv:9:21: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The verses are Acts 20:28 and Hebrews 6:1. Read them in context, and you will see what Scripture is saying there. What I'm driving at, is that nowhere does Scripture equate "repentance" with either "turning from sin", or "being sorry for sins", which seem to be a very widely held notions, and are drug along from the idea of "penance", as taught by the Roman Catholic church, from before the Reformation days.Claudia_T said:I have never heard of that ever... this idea that faith is tied to repentence? What is your idea of dead works? and why would you say that anyway? arent there verses in the bible with baptism and repentence? Im not understanding what you mean anyway, but I figure if I ask these things maybe it will enlighten me
The Greek words 'metanoeO' and 'metanoia', mean to "change your mind", and "a change of mind", respectively and are the verb and noun usually rendered as repent and repentance in the NT, (in all but eight instances, one of which was Judas) and are the only words rendered thus as concerns salvation.
Hopefully, this has been a bit enlightening. Gotta' run.
Ed
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