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Unelect Person Desiring Salvation

kyredneck

kyredneck

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convicted1 said:
I haven't heard that song, neither had I even seen that title before. Some of the other ORB assocs. may sign it, but I haven't heard it.
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It's one of those old minor tunes that's 'arranged' in all our hymnals, my wife and I both love it. Here's the lyrics:

Come, ye sinners, poor and needy,
Weak and wounded, sick and sore;
Jesus ready stands to save you,
Full of pity, love and power.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.

Come, ye thirsty, come and welcome,
God's free bounty glorify;
True belief and true repentance,
Ev'ry grace that brings us nigh.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.

Come, ye weary, heavy laden,
Bruised and broken, full of sin;
If you tarry till you're better,
You may never enter in.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.

Let not conscience make you linger,
Not of fitness fondly dream;
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel your need of Him.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.
 
V

Van

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saturneptune said:
Forget Calvin and Calvinism just for ten seconds, and focus on the parable you brought up. There has been debate for centuries about the number of the four that were saved. It is usually one or two. One is obviously saved, the good seed. One is obviously lost, the seed that the birds came and ate that fell along the path. The seed along the rocky path was received with joy, but was in shallow soil, did not take root, and because of trouble and persecution, he falls away. The man who got the seed that fell among thorns heard the word, but worldly things are at the center of his heart. This person did not receive the word with joy, and the parable does not say "he fell away." So to me, this is the second person that is definitely not saved. The debate has centered around the person who received the word with joy, but had no roots and fell away. The fact that he received the word with joy does not mean he put his faith in Jesus Christ. The roots were shallow. Jesus said I am the Vine, and you are the branches. This is an eternal source of life, not a temporary condition. In my opinion, and I stress that word, this person was not saved. Simon the magician in Acts received the word with interest, but in the end, wanted to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit. Notice also in verse 29 of Chapter 13 (Matt) that there is wheat among the weeds that will be sorted out.
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The parable is explained in the text, no need to claim there is a mystery. Soils 1, 2, 3 and 4 were unelect because election occurs through faith in the truth. So number 4 became elect when God credited his "all in" faith as righteousness and placed him spiritually in Christ. Thus he was enabled to produce fruit. Soil one suffered from total spiritual inability. Soils 2 and 3 demonstrate limited spiritual ability, but both chose to not fully embrace the gospel. Soil 2 put a superficial trust in Christ, eager to gain the advantages of salvation, but did not fully commit, i.e. no deep seated root to feed and nourish the plant, so when adversity came, the plant quickly withered. The 3 soil teaches another way to fail, to put Christ in but not seat Him on the throne and clear out all our other worldly treasures that hinder and choke the life out of our faith in Christ. Christ should not be one of our priorities, He must be our only priority.
 
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OldRegular

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kyredneck said:
It's one of those old minor tunes that's 'arranged' in all our hymnals, my wife and I both love it. Here's the lyrics:

Come, ye sinners, poor and needy,
Weak and wounded, sick and sore;
Jesus ready stands to save you,
Full of pity, love and power.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.

Come, ye thirsty, come and welcome,
God's free bounty glorify;
True belief and true repentance,
Ev'ry grace that brings us nigh.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.

Come, ye weary, heavy laden,
Bruised and broken, full of sin;
If you tarry till you're better,
You may never enter in.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.

Let not conscience make you linger,
Not of fitness fondly dream;
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel your need of Him.

I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O! There are ten thousand charms.
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That was the song the Church sang the day I made my confession of faith!
 
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OldRegular

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The Archangel said:
All people desire salvation. Though it is defined differently, and in non-biblical ways, the Buddhist, the Hindu, the Muslim, the Atheist all desire salvation.

Christians desire salvation too. The difference, though, is this: For the Christian, salvation is the byproduct of desiring Christ and repenting and believing in Him.

Many so-called Christians, I'm afraid, desire salvation, but they don't desire Christ. Many so-called Christians want heaven, as opposed to hell, but they don't care if Christ is there.

I saw this on Ligon Duncan's twitter feed today: Samuel Rutherford, on Christ: "I am so in love with His love, that if His love were not in heaven, I would not be willing to go there."

How apropos for this discussion.

The fact of the matter is that everyone desires salvation. Not everyone desires Christ. There is a difference. Desiring salvation makes salvation your "god" and having Christ is not and will never be a byproduct of a false god. However, desiring Christ and having Him is worth giving up everything, and the byproduct of having Christ is salvation and heaven--which is wherever He is.

Many just aren't worshiping the real thing.

The Archangel
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Why would an unsaved person desire Jesus Christ?
 
David Michael Harris

David Michael Harris

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Maybe because he got to point in life where he was at the end of his rope and Grace came to him! :) Grace came to him and he accepted. The healthy do not need a doctor. Hard to deny an offer of help like that.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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OldRegular said:
That was the song the Church sang the day I made my confession of faith!
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Martha Bassett does a wonderful job with it in the link provided in post #73. She sings the same lyrics the Primitives do, I don't know her [religious] background though.
 
David Michael Harris

David Michael Harris

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No one knows why God chooses some and not others, we are not privy to that info, just count your lucky stars, to be crude. He has mercy and pity on whom He wills. But remember God's ways are different from ours.

I wait for the full answer, one thing I know is that only God is Good.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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David Michael Harris said:
No one knows why God chooses some and not others, we are not privy to that info, just count your lucky stars, to be crude. He has mercy and pity on whom He wills. But remember God's ways are different from ours.

I wait for the full answer, one thing I know is that only God is Good.
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You sound like an Old Baptist. :)
 
David Michael Harris

David Michael Harris

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kyredneck said:
You might understand 'Particular Baptist' better, being from France.
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Not really gone into the divisions of the church much, I speak only of my own experience of things, but will check the Particular area, I do believe we are called by name and that it is personal. You may have studied areas that I have not and I those you have not. I may even be ignorant of many things, but when provoked into an area you can be sure I will study it, but I have yet to find anything that changes my thoughts of my experience of Grace.
 
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saturneptune

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Van said:
The parable is explained in the text, no need to claim there is a mystery. Soils 1, 2, 3 and 4 were unelect because election occurs through faith in the truth. So number 4 became elect when God credited his "all in" faith as righteousness and placed him spiritually in Christ. Thus he was enabled to produce fruit. Soil one suffered from total spiritual inability. Soils 2 and 3 demonstrate limited spiritual ability, but both chose to not fully embrace the gospel. Soil 2 put a superficial trust in Christ, eager to gain the advantages of salvation, but did not fully commit, i.e. no deep seated root to feed and nourish the plant, so when adversity came, the plant quickly withered. The 3 soil teaches another way to fail, to put Christ in but not seat Him on the throne and clear out all our other worldly treasures that hinder and choke the life out of our faith in Christ. Christ should not be one of our priorities, He must be our only priority.
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Thank you for that response. My only point is I have seen some writings explaining why number 2 was saved, which I totally reject. This parable is why I have a problem with people who, even though they attend church in some pattern, never do anything to further the work of the Lord. Yes, Christ is our only priority.
 
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