Christ baptized the church into the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost while they were assembled in the upper room.
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Matthew 16:18 οἰκοδομήσω V-FIA-1S Future? When? When would the building begin? If it were built of stones, when would the first stone be laid?
τὴν ἐκκλησίαν ? the calling out unto ? (assembly)
When does the assembly take place? Every Sunday morning?
τὴν ἐκκλησίαν ? the calling out unto ? (assembly)
When does the assembly take place? Every Sunday morning?
I dispute that statement most strenuously... it is NOT all the redeemed sitting there in the pews in assembly. Many, many, many of the redeemed sit outside waiting for Gods love to be the primary agenda. Some will find it, I know some who have filled with such desire that they start their own assembly. But they are the exceptions.
Why not ask the HS that question? Doesn’t he provide that desire?
Yes, into the water, as a part of identification now with that local assembly and Jesus, but the Holy Spirit at conversion places the saint into the Body of Christ, now united with Christ!
Yes, and the Spirit Baptism is done by the Holy Spirit!
Not a Charismatic Myth, as many hold to that, J Vernon Mcgee held to that view, was he Charismatic?
Not , for us to be now clothed in Christ means to be in union with Him, and the water does not do that for us!
I would say that the Universal church is all who are saved right now in the world, regardless if going to a local assembly.
Three lots west of me, I assemble every Sunday morning, Sunday night and on Wednesdays also. However I was asking for the context of the word, ἐκκλησίαν, in Matt 16:18 which in the future of Matt 16 would be built.
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Acts 4:10,11
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Tim 2:8
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
Was that the first, assembled, the beginning of the church?
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Col 1:18 KJV
And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all things -- himself -- first, Col 1:18 YLT
I have stated many times, I know, no Greek. Is the understanding of the word ἐκκλησίαν inclusive of, "to," and or. "unto"?
Is it a completed, "thing"? Local or otherwise.
I don't see anyone praying to the HS in the scripture.
Its not sin to do that, for he is also God, but the pattern is to go to the father, in name of Jesus, and in the enabling of /by the Holy Spirit!
There are 3 persons in 1 God... does it really matter?
Brother Cassidy,
I must say that I am somewhat disappointed in your church theology, for I am one who was trained at Mid America Baptist Theological Seminary, that you give no credence to the "Trail of Blood" or the Landmark Baptist's positions! I am not sure you are a "real Baptist" if you do not believe we go back to Jesus Himself? LOL! FTR,(for the record) I do not hold to those two previous positions.
That should bring out the brethren who have a strong apologetic for the afore espoused doctrinal positions.
Can we talk?!
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That's probably because I don't hold to either of them.
Well, our faith does go back to Christ, Who is the Author and Finisher of our faith, but there is no succession that can be proven, but as Kiffin puts it, our faith, through the like faith of our spiritual kindred, certainly goes back to Christ.
Certainly! (Now admit it! When you read "certainly" you said it, in your head, as "soitenly" just like Curly Howard used to say."
I do not hold to either viewpoint either, but do think that we Baptists do have the same theology as the early Church held to pretty much!
My church is A. B. A. and we have open communion, FYI.
Amusing to me that we can deny communion to those who are already included in the Communion of the saints, as part of the one true Church!
Yes, I think it does.
- Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask
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