unvaccinated a threat to the nation, the LEFT now says

[dad2]

Nearly 11,000 Deaths After COVID Vaccines Reported to CDC, as FDA Adds New Warning to J&J Vaccine

These are what has been reported, the real numbers are estimated to be much higher. When people seek treatment, most facilities are discounting the possibility of vax causes if it was done more than 3 days prior. Many people post in to the pages which have yet to be banned, that they work in the medical industry & can say nothing to patients that deviates from ‘the agenda’ or lose their jobs. The people who are suffering know what’s to blame, but they are discounted. Their problems are probably not getting on record.

It is this wicked suppression of all who dare have another opinion that makes the whole covid vaccine thing stink like fraud.

 

[Van]

1) What does it mean to be "vaccinated?" Two doses completed more than two weeks prior to onset of adverse circumstance? Nope. About 40% of these claims came within days of being vaccinated, i.e. before the vaccine had provided its protection.

2) Thus the claimed problems are being hyped to the max.

3) Do the vaccines prevent COVID 19, or do they protect against becoming seriously ill. Thus an asymptomatic vaccinated person testing positive for COVID is NOT an indication of a problem.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

1) What does it mean to be "vaccinated?" Two doses completed more than two weeks prior to onset of adverse circumstance? Nope. About 40% of these claims came within days of being vaccinated, i.e. before the vaccine had provided its protection.

2) Thus the claimed problems are being hyped to the max.

3) Do the vaccines prevent COVID 19, or do they protect against becoming seriously ill. Thus an asymptomatic vaccinated person testing positive for COVID is NOT an indication of a problem.

Let's pretend all of that is true. Let's say everything that you say is correct.

What would you like to do to those of us that refuse?

France wants us to die, be cut off from life and imprisoned. What would you like to happen?

 

[Reynolds]

And I’m not sure it will be your decision to get it or not. My brother works for a hospital as one of the I T personnel. He has no interaction with patients, in fact doesn’t work in the hospital building, but they force him to get tested for COVID each week... very unpleasant. Guess why!

Cause they know the vaccine does not really work?

 

[Wingman68]

Severe propaganda clash between British, American, and Indian MSM proves it is all lies

At the same time: 99.7 percent of new covid in the U.S. is not vaxxed, 60 percent of new covid in Britain is not vaxxed, and 87.2 percent of new covid in India IS VAXXED. Gee, how does that work???
Several days ago Britain announced 60 percent of covid cases were vaxxed. Now they are saying OOPS, 60 percent are not vaxxed.

Problem: That’s still 40 percent of covid cases are vaxxed. And in the United States, they are claiming only 0.3 percent of the vaxxed are getting sick while India claims 87 percent of new covid cases are vaxxed.
First this, from Britain.
http://82.221.129.208/1/60percentvaxxed.png
Now look at what the American MSM is saying. Can you see a problem here? Even if Britain started lying a little, the ratio of people not getting vaxxed getting Covid is off by a factor of 125X, that’s not percent, that’s TIMES different. 99.7 in the U.S., which means three out of a thousand cases of covid are among the vaxxed vs 400 out of a thousand in britain.

http://82.221.129.208/1/99percentnew.png

That’s quite a clash, which means we are being lied to. And there’s still a BIG PROBLEM: It was not only Sir Patrick saying 60 percent yesterday, Britain has been saying this for over a week. All he did was parrot what everyone else was saying, and suddenly he’s wrong???
NOW look at what India is saying! 87 percent of new cases are vaxxed!!! Folks, it does not work that way unless each region has it’s own agenda, and the plague is fake

http://82.221.129.208/1/indiavaxxed.png

Can someone who is a master at common core math please tell me how all of that equates? Because “science” certainly would disagree with those numbers existing at the same time being possible.

 

[dad2]

1) What does it mean to be "vaccinated?" Two doses completed more than two weeks prior to onset of adverse circumstance? Nope. About 40% of these claims came within days of being vaccinated, i.e. before the vaccine had provided its protection.

2) Thus the claimed problems are being hyped to the max.

3) Do the vaccines prevent COVID 19, or do they protect against becoming seriously ill. Thus an asymptomatic vaccinated person testing positive for COVID is NOT an indication of a problem.

Which claims? The problems with the vaccine deaths/serious effects etc are not covid problems, but vaccine problems. If a lot of vaxxed people were still getting covid, or not, that just means that the so called vaccine is either effective or not so effective (depending on who we want to believe) with covid. Since the death rate with covid was a small percent anyhow the issue is not really one of how vaccines fight covid. I would think the issue is more that the [corrected] --gentics and immune system affecting, abortion research based, experimental treatment shots can mess up people and kill people in other ways. Since the now compromised media has been echoing the propaganda and false numbers and Chicken Little scare tactics (in the opinion of untold millions of people) many are a lot more worried by the cure than the disease.

 

[JonC]

Which claims? The problems with the vaccine deaths/serious effects etc are not covid problems, but vaccine problems. If a lot of vaxxed people were still getting covid, or not, that just means that the so called vaccine is either effective or not so effective (depending on who we want to believe) with covid. Since the death rate with covid was a small percent anyhow the issue is not really one of how vaccines fight covid. I would think the issue is more that the dna affecting, abortion research based, experimental treatment shots can mess up people and kill people in other ways. Since the now compromised media has been echoing the propaganda and false numbers and Chicken Little scare tactics (in the opinion of untold millions of people) many are a lot more worried by the cure than the disease.

Speaking of Chicken Little scare tactics...what DNA effecting shots (in the US we have 2 types of vaccines - mRNA and traditional, with neither having an effect on DNA).

 

[Iconoclast]

Vaccinated Pelosi aide, White House official test positive for COVID-19

 

[dad2]

Speaking of Chicken Little scare tactics...what DNA effecting shots (in the US we have 2 types of vaccines - mRNA and traditional, with neither having an effect on DNA).

OK, fair enough. The way I look at genetics is that all the steps and processes count.

"

• The central dogma of molecular biology explains the flow of genetic information, from DNA ?to RNA?, to make a functional product, a protein?.
• The central dogma suggests that DNA contains the information needed to make all of our proteins, and that RNA is a messenger that carries this information to the ribosomes?.
• The ribosomes serve as factories in the cell where the information is ‘translated’ from a code into the functional product.
• The process by which the DNA instructions are converted into the functional product is called gene expression?.
• Gene expression has two key stages - transcription? and translation?.
• In transcription, the information in the DNA of every cell is converted into small, portable RNA messages.
• During translation, these messages travel from where the DNA is in the cell nucleus to the ribosomes where they are ‘read’ to make specific proteins.
• The central dogma states that the pattern of information that occurs most frequently in our cells is:
  • From existing DNA to make new DNA (DNA replication?)
  • From DNA to make new RNA (transcription)
  • From RNA to make new proteins (translation)."
  What is the 'Central Dogma'?

So it looks like RNA is a part of the whole genetics process. The vaccine then can affect the genetics as a whole, no? To be less technical, if a vaccine was made using research (and I hear in some vaccines there could even be traces) then the dna of the baby was sure affected! If people die as a result of side effects, or have serious issues, their bodies are sure affected!

"mRNA – Also known as messenger ribonucleic acid, mRNA is the only active ingredient in the vaccine. The mRNA molecules contain the genetic material that provide instructions for our body on how to make a viral protein that triggers an immune response within our bodies. The immune response is what causes our bodies to make the antibodies needed to protect us from getting infected if exposed to the coronavirus."

A Simple Breakdown of the Ingredients in the COVID Vaccines - COVID-19, Health Topics - Hackensack Meridian Health

So apparently the MRNA contains 'genetic material'. That material is designed to 'cause our bodies' to do stuff. Rather than say it can affect DNA, it would be better to say it can affect our bodies I guess. Affect genetics! Affect the immune system! There is even a lot of talk that it could affect the reproductive system! That is a lot of affecting! Anyone not concerned about all that is mind numbed I would think. So bring up genuine possible dangers is not a Chicken Little thing at all. You see, the sky was not really falling! In this case there really are dangers!
(by the way, I added a correction for the word DNA in the post you cited, tks)

 

[JonC]

OK, fair enough. The way I look at genetics is that all the steps and processes count.

"

• The central dogma of molecular biology explains the flow of genetic information, from DNA ?to RNA?, to make a functional product, a protein?.
• The central dogma suggests that DNA contains the information needed to make all of our proteins, and that RNA is a messenger that carries this information to the ribosomes?.
• The ribosomes serve as factories in the cell where the information is ‘translated’ from a code into the functional product.
• The process by which the DNA instructions are converted into the functional product is called gene expression?.
• Gene expression has two key stages - transcription? and translation?.
• In transcription, the information in the DNA of every cell is converted into small, portable RNA messages.
• During translation, these messages travel from where the DNA is in the cell nucleus to the ribosomes where they are ‘read’ to make specific proteins.
• The central dogma states that the pattern of information that occurs most frequently in our cells is:
  • From existing DNA to make new DNA (DNA replication?)
  • From DNA to make new RNA (transcription)
  • From RNA to make new proteins (translation)."
  What is the 'Central Dogma'?

So it looks like RNA is a part of the whole genetics process. The vaccine then can affect the genetics as a whole, no? To be less technical, if a vaccine was made using research (and I hear in some vaccines there could even be traces) then the dna of the baby was sure affected! If people die as a result of side effects, or have serious issues, their bodies are sure affected!

"mRNA – Also known as messenger ribonucleic acid, mRNA is the only active ingredient in the vaccine. The mRNA molecules contain the genetic material that provide instructions for our body on how to make a viral protein that triggers an immune response within our bodies. The immune response is what causes our bodies to make the antibodies needed to protect us from getting infected if exposed to the coronavirus."

A Simple Breakdown of the Ingredients in the COVID Vaccines - COVID-19, Health Topics - Hackensack Meridian Health

So apparently the MRNA contains 'genetic material'. That material is designed to 'cause our bodies' to do stuff. Rather than say it can affect DNA, it would be better to say it can affect our bodies I guess. Affect genetics! Affect the immune system! There is even a lot of talk that it could affect the reproductive system! That is a lot of affecting! Anyone not concerned about all that is mind numbed I would think. So bring up genuine possible dangers is not a Chicken Little thing at all. You see, the sky was not really falling! In this case there really are dangers!

The problem is misinformation. Messenger RNA is, as one paper noted, short existing and "burns up" as a benefit. There is no change of genetic material. There is a response (the body is caused...or tricked...into producing antibodies to fight against a virus it us not actually facing). But there is no genetic change - no change in the DNA

MRNA may sound scary, but it isn't. It is not really that new (but this has been a new use). It is just a vehicle. What is concerning is the effect on the body (the reaction produced).

This does not mean the vaccine is safe, of course. It does elicit an autoimmune response and perhaps for some the cure may be worse than the disease.

There is no safe vaccine. It is always relevant (i.e , are the dangers worth it).

For those young guys in their 20's wrestling with heart issues and strokes from contracting COVID, they may look back and wish they had taken the vaccine.

But for those who had a horrible reaction to the vaccine, knowing many had very mild symptoms related to COVID, they may decide not to get another shot if required.

 

[Van]

Let's pretend all of that is true. Let's say everything that you say is correct.

What would you like to do to those of us that refuse?

France wants us to die, be cut off from life and imprisoned. What would you like to happen?

Scripture says we are to love one another. You might want to try that one on for size.

 

[Van]

Which claims? The problems with the vaccine deaths/serious effects etc are not covid problems, but vaccine problems. If a lot of vaxxed people were still getting covid, or not, that just means that the so called vaccine is either effective or not so effective (depending on who we want to believe) with covid. Since the death rate with covid was a small percent anyhow the issue is not really one of how vaccines fight covid. I would think the issue is more that the [corrected] --gentics and immune system affecting, abortion research based, experimental treatment shots can mess up people and kill people in other ways. Since the now compromised media has been echoing the propaganda and false numbers and Chicken Little scare tactics (in the opinion of untold millions of people) many are a lot more worried by the cure than the disease.

Utter nonsense. 99% of the COVID 19 deaths in June were non-vaccinated. And in case you are unaware, personal incredulity as support of an argument is simply a reliance on fallacy.

 

[dad2]

The problem is misinformation. Messenger RNA is, as one paper noted, short existing and "burns up" as a benefit. There is no change of genetic material. There is a response (the body is caused...or tricked...into producing antibodies to fight against a virus it us not actually facing). But there is no genetic change - no change in the DNA

MRNA may sound scary, but it isn't. It is not really that new (but this has been a new use). It is just a vehicle. What is concerning is the effect on the body (the reaction produced).

This does not mean the vaccine is safe, of course. It does elicit an autoimmune response and perhaps for some the cure may be worse than the disease.

There is no safe vaccine. It is always relevant (i.e , are the dangers worth it).

For those young guys in their 20's wrestling with heart issues and strokes from contracting COVID, they may look back and wish they had taken the vaccine.

But for those who had a horrible reaction to the vaccine, knowing many had very mild symptoms related to COVID, they may decide not to get another shot if required.

That well may be generally true. Since the genetics are affected though, that does seem pretty serious. Then there is the issue of trust. It is a bit like going to a doctor who is suspected of killing many patients. It would be hard to believe everything (anything) he said. When your sister comes out of his office and loses her baby, that does not engender trust. When the doctor keeps changing his story about life and death issues every week, that would not result in trust. When patients come out on a stretcher, or paralyzed that would raise the eyebrow. When the radio station playing in his waiting room is saying that going to any other doctor is very dangerous, and that all who doubt this doctor are bad people, that would not sit well. Etc.

 

[dad2]

Utter nonsense. 99% of the COVID 19 deaths in June were non-vaccinated. And in case you are unaware, personal incredulity as support of an argument is simply a reliance on fallacy.

Who cares about so called covid deaths? That is a meaningless phrase. There is no honest reporting system. How about some real stats? How about find out how many people actually died from the effects of the vaccine, but were counted as something else or not counted at all? Then we could compare that number to how many people actually died directly as a result of covid. How about finding out how many babies were killed as a result of the vaccination by mothers losing them? How about finding out how many people committed suicide because of the lockdowns and etc? How about finding out how many millions of people will starve to death as a result of the lockdowns? Then we can pile all those numbers on one side of the scale, and the small percentage of people who actually died directly from covid on the other!

 

[JonC]

That well may be generally true. Since the genetics are affected though, that does seem pretty serious. Then there is the issue of trust. It is a bit like going to a doctor who is suspected of killing many patients. It would be hard to believe everything (anything) he said. When your sister comes out of his office and loses her baby, that does not engender trust. When the doctor keeps changing his story about life and death issues every week, that would not result in trust. When patients come out on a stretcher, or paralyzed that would raise the eyebrow. When the radio station playing in his waiting room is saying that going to any other doctor is very dangerous, and that all who doubt this doctor are bad people, that would not sit well. Etc.

It can be serious, I agree.

Each person has to weigh the risks and benefits for themselves.

I have a cousin (20 yrs old) who is having heart issues because of COVID (a very mild case, but it has caused some issues). One of our friend's daughter had a COVID related stroke (she's in her early 20's). So there is at least a risk related to even mild COVID cases.

And like we talked about, no vaccine is safe. When we take a vaccine we accept a certain risk.

Each person needs to make their own health decisions - based not on the idea one choice is more dangerous in itself (either could be the more dangerous....and of course you could be the guy who gets COVID as a mild cold....but you could also get COVID and die the next day....or die of the shot).

I wish those who presented one side were honest enough to present the other. I do not understand why people have a need to recruit people to their side with this topic.

The fact is we are not promised tomorrow on this earth. Many have died of COVID. While people have not died directly from the vaccine, there is a big "if" (a "not yet") in the equation. Get vaccinated or not - both are legitimate decisions. Both have a risk. But that's life.

 

[Van]

Who cares about so called covid deaths? That is a meaningless phrase. There is no honest reporting system. How about some real stats? How about find out how many people actually died from the effects of the vaccine, but were counted as something else or not counted at all? Then we could compare that number to how many people actually died directly as a result of covid. How about finding out how many babies were killed as a result of the vaccination by mothers losing them? How about finding out how many people committed suicide because of the lockdowns and etc? How about finding out how many millions of people will starve to death as a result of the lockdowns? Then we can pile all those numbers on one side of the scale, and the small percentage of people who actually died directly from covid on the other!

Incredulity is the intellectual cripples substitute for intelligence.
The person who knows about 10,000 COVID deaths in June is bogus, but does not know the actual number is posting tommy-rot.

 

[Scott Downey]

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland – Daily Expose

The most up to date figures published by PHS and within the report released by on the 23rd June 2021, and they reveal that between the 8th December 2020 and the 11th June 2021 a total number of 5,522 people died within 28 days of having a dose of a Covid-19 vaccine.

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.




Then the writer says this, extrapolating the numbers onto England,

"However, using the data on the number of deaths due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland we can estimate what the likely number of deaths are due to the jabs in England. Adjusting to the size of the population we estimate the actual number of deaths due to the jabs in England in the past 6 months could be as high as 57,470.
That number alone is precisely why PHE “claim” they do not hold that information."

Unfortunately, some people die from getting this vaccine, shortly after getting vaccinated. Of course, you don't really know if they were going to die anyway, yet.
I am sure studies will be done, but it could take years for the results, then maybe they will never release the real numbers and causes.

How about extrapolating the numbers onto the USA? a much more populated country.

 

[Wingman68]

So today FB eliminated (again) the groups that consisted of people suffering either from a death of a loved one, or the injury to themselves or others. Of course the White House admitted they were in daily contact with FB to make sure there was no ‘misinformation’, meaning other than their information. These people were getting support from others for things they might try to get better, and one private group was growing by thousands everyday. I was watching the #’s rise. It made it to 50,000 today, the last time it was deleted it was over 100,000 so I knew this was coming. There was another as well, which took no comments, in hopes of heading off problems, & one in Canada gone as well. I headed over to mewe, I hope the others do as well.

 

[Wingman68]

 

[dad2]

It can be serious, I agree.

Each person has to weigh the risks and benefits for themselves.

I have a cousin (20 yrs old) who is having heart issues because of COVID (a very mild case, but it has caused some issues). One of our friend's daughter had a COVID related stroke (she's in her early 20's). So there is at least a risk related to even mild COVID cases.

And like we talked about, no vaccine is safe. When we take a vaccine we accept a certain risk.

Each person needs to make their own health decisions - based not on the idea one choice is more dangerous in itself (either could be the more dangerous....and of course you could be the guy who gets COVID as a mild cold....but you could also get COVID and die the next day....or die of the shot).

I wish those who presented one side were honest enough to present the other. I do not understand why people have a need to recruit people to their side with this topic.

The fact is we are not promised tomorrow on this earth. Many have died of COVID. While people have not died directly from the vaccine, there is a big "if" (a "not yet") in the equation. Get vaccinated or not - both are legitimate decisions. Both have a risk. But that's life.

The thing is that it is not really a decision people can freely make. In most or many cases, if a person is not part of the vaccine passport crowd, then they are virtual prisoners and outcasts. They would quite likely need to change jobs, or careers. Etc. We also are not privy to what is really going on and the real numbers. There is an obvious concerted effort to steamroll the vaccinations in.