USA in Bible Prophesy

[KenH]

Who do you claim is a better fit?

You are so caught up in today, in 2022, in the current situation where the United States is one of the world powers, along with Russia, and China - all three of which could unleash enough nuclear weapons to wipe out civilization.

 

[dad2]

I sort of like the old saying, "I am a pan-millennialist. I believe that it will all pan out in the end."

Of course God will work it all out. Part of the way He does that is by judging the evil harlot and allowing the AC to have his little rule before the end.

 

[dad2]

You are so caught up in today, in 2022, in the current situation where the United States is one of the world powers, along with Russia, and China - all three of which could unleash enough nuclear weapons to wipe out civilization.

Not all these fit the bill though. (abominations etc)

 

[KenH]

So, if we are nearing the end years,

That's a mighty big IF that you don't know whether we are nearing the time of the new heavens and earth. Personally, I hope so, but none of us knows when God will save the final person of God's elect.

 

[KenH]

Not all these fit the bill though. (abominations etc)

Huh? You think the people in Russia or China or any other country are less fallen in Adam than the people in the United States? If you do, then you are wrong.

 

[tyndale1946]

I sort of like the old saying, "I am a pan-millennialist. I believe that it will all pan out in the end."

Hey... That's what my Dad always said!... Curious I said well then when is the last day?... He looked at me and said, when I breath my last, that is the last day!... The wisdom of a Christian father, whose now with the Lord, face to face!... Brother Glen

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

[dad2]

That's a mighty big IF that you don't know whether we are nearing the time of the new heavens and earth. Personally, I hope so, but none of us knows when God will save the final person of God's elect.

OK, so now your issue is whether we are in the end times. We do have Israel as a nation today that can be invaded as prophesy about the end times says! The clock is ticking. We do have the race towards the mark of the beast as evidenced by limitations on buying and selling etc being placed on the world with the vax stuff. We do have incredible depths of Satan being reached today and even foisted on kids in school. We do have all the countries lined up that are predicted to invade Israel today. So what did you think this was some big false alarm?

 

[dad2]

Huh? You think the people in Russia or China or any other country are less fallen in Adam than the people in the United States? If you do, then you are wrong.

I do not think they started or were involved in as many wars as the US. I do not think they promoted porn and drugs as much. I do not think they pushed anti bible sexual marriages as much. etc etc. Also, harlotry in the bible seems to usually denote a people that forsake God for other gods. China never had God to forsake, and Russia or the Soviet Union was atheistic.

 

[KenH]

Hey... That's what my Dad always said!... Curious I said well then when is the last day?... He looked at me and said, when I breath my last, that is the last day!... The wisdom of a Christian father, whose now with the Lord, face to face!... Brother Glen

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

That is what amazes me so. People have spent centuries setting dates, and trying to figure out the details of what the world will be like at the moment that Christ removes this present heavens and earth and sets up the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness, almost like they are oblivious to the most likely scenario being that they will die before it happens, as has obviously happened through the centuries. Also, it seems like every generation has people in it who are convinced that Christ will return in their lifetimes, and yet each generation keeps saying, "Yeah, but we really know it will happen in our generation", and yet they still end up dying before it happens.

 

[KenH]

China never had God to forsake, and Russia or the Soviet Union was atheistic.

All human beings have refused God. Regardless of your extreme U.S.-centric views, all people are corrupt. The people in this country or that country are no less depraved than those in any other country.

Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[KenH]

We do have Israel as a nation today

What is called Israel today has nothing to do with the Israelites/Jews of the Bible, except some human ancestry. God finished the Israel of the Bible in 70 A.D.

Now, good night all, as I have a Bible study to attend.

 

[dad2]

All human beings have refused God. Regardless of your extreme U.S.-centric views, all people are corrupt. The people in this country or that country are no less depraved than those in any other country.

Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The issue is not whether all have sinned. The term harlot and whoring is usually referring to Israel, who went away from God. That would apply for the USA. Not to China.

 

[dad2]

What is called Israel today has nothing to do with the Israelites/Jews of the Bible, except some human ancestry. God finished the Israel of the Bible in 70 A.D.

Now, good night all, as I have a Bible study to attend.

It has to do with that area of the world being invaded by certain nations! I never said they were now saved or holy. They are, however a nation called Israel in that area. They will be invaded. The survivors one day will all be saved.

 

[AustinC]

It has to do with that area of the world being invaded by certain nations! I never said they were now saved or holy. They are, however a nation called Israel in that area. They will be invaded. The survivors one day will all be saved.

No, the survivors will not all be saved...unless you grasp that we Christians are the Israel of God.

 

[dad2]

No, the survivors will not all be saved...unless you grasp that we Christians are the Israel of God.

That has nothing to do with what kingdom today is likely Mystery Babylon. I am not about to debate whether all Israel will get saved as the bible says. You do realize Israel exists and is invaded in the end by certain powers from certain directions?

 

[AustinC]

OK, so now your issue is whether we are in the end times. We do have Israel as a nation today that can be invaded as prophesy about the end times says! The clock is ticking. We do have the race towards the mark of the beast as evidenced by limitations on buying and selling etc being placed on the world with the vax stuff. We do have incredible depths of Satan being reached today and even foisted on kids in school. We do have all the countries lined up that are predicted to invade Israel today. So what did you think this was some big false alarm?

Israel, the nation, is a godless nation.
Read Romans and understand that the Israel of God is the person whom God has chosen to give faith to believe. This person is from every nation, tribe, and tongue. These are the people Jesus comes back to avenge. The people living on the land are occupying that which God has promised to the faithful, the Israel of God.
No doubt, you would call it a bogus "replacement theory." I call it scripture.

 

[37818]

The Scriptures are clear there is a distinction between the gentiles in the one body and the Israel of God in the one body. A case example, Galatians 6:15-16, ". . . on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. . . ." Being of both the uncircumcised and circumcised as one body.

 

[KenH]

I have interest in debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Edit for clarification: "I have no interest in debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin."

 

[Iconoclast]

No. Babylon gets destroyed. Then the ten kings and AC come to rule. What is vague about that?

Where and who is Babylon?

 

[dad2]

Israel, the nation, is a godless nation.
Read Romans and understand that the Israel of God is the person whom God has chosen to give faith to believe. This person is from every nation, tribe, and tongue. These are the people Jesus comes back to avenge. The people living on the land are occupying that which God has promised to the faithful, the Israel of God.
No doubt, you would call it a bogus "replacement theory." I call it scripture.

If Israel was godly did you imagine God would ALLOW it to be invaded!? The time of Jacob's trouble is for trying and purifying and cleansing. It is for their benefit.