Using Wine in the Lord's Supper

[KenH]

This poll came to my mind based on the poll thread that @Salty started about eating near a casino.

The church where I fellowship will partaking in the Lord's Supper this coming Sunday(we have the Lord's Supper on the 5th Sunday of the months with 5 Sundays in them). We use real wine in doing so. So my question is: Would you partake of the Lord's Supper if real wine is used? Personally, I have no problem with it. I just have to remind myself that even though it will taste like grape juice that it will have a kick when I swallow. It is just a typical small communion cup.

 

[Salty]

Just curious - does the pastor state that it is actual wine?

 

[KenH]

Just curious - does the pastor state that it is actual wine?

Yes. When I started attending 15 months ago and we had the Lord's Supper a few weeks later he told me about it so I wouldn't be surprised. Which was good since I hadn't drank any wine in somewhere around a decade. I can handle a little bit but I just don't have a taste for the alcohol. I remember when I was fourteen years old and we were visiting some relatives in San Antonio on New Year's Day and they had champagne. I drank some in a champagne glass and enjoyed it and I think I drank a second one as well. By the third glass I didn't like it.

 

[JonC]

We attended a church decades ago where they had wine in the inner cups and grape juice in the outer cups.

 

[unprofitable]

Our church has, to my knowledge, always used wine at the Lord's supper per the pattern of the original observance.

We do not announce it as we practice closed communion and the members already know.

We use a common cup and each member only takes a small drink.

 

[Salty]

Our church has, to my knowledge, always used wine at the Lord's supper per the pattern of the original observance.

We do not announce it as we practice closed communion and the members already know.

We use a common cup and each member only takes a small drink.

So how does your church handle - when a visitor shows up when you are serving communion?

 

[unprofitable]

So how does your church handle - when a visitor shows up when you are serving communion?

In a case like that, we would announce that we practice closed communion and that only the members of our particular body were permitted to observe it.

We are a very small congregation and the member serving the bread and wine would not offer it to the visitor. I know this may create a problem in large congregations, but the members should make effort to know one another.

 

[Reynolds]

In a case like that, we would announce that we practice closed communion and that only the members of our particular body were permitted to observe it.

We are a very small congregation and the member serving the bread and wine would not offer it to the visitor. I know this may create a problem in large congregations, but the members should make effort to know one another.

An egotistical practice held over from Catholicism.

 

[unprofitable]

An egotistical practice held over from Catholicism.

Since we are commanded to not eat with a member who is under sanctions (1 Cor 5:11), how do you know that a stranger, who comes into your assembly, is in good standing with their church, or even if they are a member of a church, or have even made a profession of faith?

To let someone partake of the Lord's supper who has no knowledge of the meaning or significance of the observance is to assist them in eating or drinking unworthily. 1Cor 11:29 says, "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation unto himself, not discerning the Lord's body." In doing so, their blood is on your hands.

The body of which they are or should be a member is the best way to discern the status and life of that member. Is he a brother who rejoiced in the admonition of another brother and was turned from error or is he a member of a church which has excluded him and is to be considered as a heathen man and a publican? (Matthew 18:15-19

I will assume you are a member of a Baptist body somewhere. Would your church administer the Lord's supper to such a one considered a heathen man and publican?

Does your church practice biblical discipline or do you consider it also to be an egotistical practice held over from catholicism?

 

[Salty]

and likewise a member of your church could be privately living in sin.......

 

[unprofitable]

and likewise a member of your church could be privately living in sin.......

Absolutely. But unlike many churches today, when it is revealed, we have and will deal with it according to the directions Christ has given to his church in Mt 18

The church is not an enabler in the case of sin that is hidden versus being responsible for known sin that is ignored.

 

[37818]

. . . pattern of the original observance.

The Greek word translated wine is nowhere used at the Lord's remembrance in the written word. ". . . But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. . . ." -- Matthew 26:29.

 

[unprofitable]

The Greek word translated wine is nowhere used at the Lord's remembrance in the written word. ". . . But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. . . ." -- Matthew 26:29.

The observance of the Passover used wine. There is no reason to believe that Christ changed it at the observance of the Lord's supper.

 

[unprofitable]

Brother Salty, Would your church allow the brother charged with fornication in 1 Cor 5 to observe the Lord's supper if he remained unrepentant?

 

[37818]

The observance of the Passover used wine. There is no reason to believe that Christ changed it at the observance of the Lord's supper.

False.
Unpasteurized grape juice is the wine Jesus made water into. And the new wine put in new wine skins.

 

[KenH]

Unpasteurized grape juice

 

[37818]

Modern grape juice is pasteurized. And refrigerated after opening.

 

[Salty]

Brother Salty, Would your church allow the brother charged with fornication in 1 Cor 5 to observe the Lord's supper if he remained unrepentant?

Of course not - when the pastor is made aware of such sin - he needs to go into counseling mode.

 

[unprofitable]

Of course not - when the pastor is made aware of such sin - he needs to go into counseling mode.

The example in Matthew 18 is clearly an example where counseling failed. He would not hear the first brother, nor the two or three witnesses. The brother in the first example was rejected in his counsel. The church was not to informed at that time in an effort to save face for the offending brother. The rejection of the admonition and counsel of the two or three witnesses raises the effort to correct the brother in his error. The command to tell it to the church and its option to administer justice and correction, which is an act of love, can be seen in rightly withholding the ordinance from the offending brother. Only if he rejects the counsel and discipline of the church is he to then be excluded.

Provers 21:30 says, there is no wisdom, nor understanding, nor counsel against the Lord.

 

[unprofitable]

False.
Unpasteurized grape juice is the wine Jesus made water into. And the new wine put in new wine skins.

Brother Welch, do you deny that wine was used in the Passover?