VACCINATIONS In NY State

[melchizedeck]

Your point of view is daft. You have failed to establish that The Holy Family did anything illegal

or there was documentation in ancient Rome

or that it was important that Rome did not extend citizenship to conquered nations.

Both Israel and Egypt were provinces and there is no evidence from you that Roman subjects could not go from province to province.

I love how you constantly make strawmen.
1) I didn't say they did anything illegal
2) I didn't say there was no documentation in Rome, or the Roman Empire
3) I did not say "it was important that Rome did not extend citizenship to conquered nations"
I have no idea what the heck that even means.

Actually, The Holy Family stayed only a short time in the pit called Egypt

Actually? Now you are accepting what I wrote but stating it as if I said the opposite.

and it fulfilled prophecy Hosea 11:1. Furthermore, they had money and were self sufficient. Luke says that Jesus was raised in Nazareth Luke 4:16. The trip to Egypt was merely to wait for Herod to die.

Actually, Jesus is God and you need to be saved to get into Heaven.

 

[church mouse guy]

I love how you constantly make strawmen.
1) I didn't say they did anything illegal
2) I didn't say there was no documentation in Rome, or the Roman Empire
3) I did not say "it was important that Rome did not extend citizenship to conquered nations"
I have no idea what the heck that even means.




Actually? Now you are accepting what I wrote but stating it as if I said the opposite.



Actually, Jesus is God and you need to be saved to get into Heaven.

All of these things that you enumerated were suggested by you and they are not related to current events in any manner whatsoever. During the 1980s, cultural marxists said that The Holy Family was homeless in Egypt. Now in 2019 you yourself are saying that they were illegal aliens.

None of your three observations are valid.

1. You now claim that The Holy Family did nothing illegal but the aliens crossing our border illegally are illegal aliens so there is no point of similarity in your comparison.

2. You now say that you did not say that there was no documentation in ancient Rome but you previously insisted that The Holy Family had no documentation but you never showed that documentation existed approximately 2000 years ago so there is no point of similarity in your comparison with illegal aliens who do have access to documentation but do not bring it to the USA.

3. You say that you did not say that it was important for Rome to extend citizenship to conquered nations but you tried to say that The Holy Family, who were royal and Jesus was the rightful King of Israel, did not have citizenship but you did not mention until 777 forced you to admit that they were subjects of Rome and that the fact that the Israeli royals were not Roman citizens did not make them illegal aliens in the pit called Egypt.

No, I am not accepting anything you wrote because I reject your cultural marxism. The Holy Family was not homeless as was charged in the 1980s and they were not illegal aliens fleeing from one country to a country where they were not citizens as you charged but they were Roman subjects going legally from one province to another in the Roman empire with their own money and asking nothing from Egypt other than a temporary stay awaiting the death of Herod.

 

[just-want-peace]

This thread seems to validate the observance of Paul in II Tim.4:3-4

 

[church mouse guy]

This thread seems to validate the observance of Paul in II Tim.4:3-4

It sure does.

Both Rome and Egypt were slave states.

All of this tangent started because America will accept illegals without vaccinations but force the lower class to comply to the intrusive demands of government education. They worry about childhood vaccinations but refuse to help the homeless living in total squalor.

 

[777]

I am not wrong and everything you provided just proved it.

LOL, yeah, you said vaccines were not a drug, how stupid can one be to believe that? Yet:

The term “drug” means (A) articles recognized in the official United States Pharmacopoeia, official Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States, or official National Formulary, or any supplement to any of them; and (B) articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animals,,,

21 U.S. Code § 321 - Definitions; generally

The trip word is "prevention", Alatide.

 

[melchizedeck]

All of these things that you enumerated were suggested by you and they are not related to current events in any manner whatsoever. During the 1980s, cultural marxists said that The Holy Family was homeless in Egypt. Now in 2019 you yourself are saying that they were illegal aliens.

I didn't say that. You are creating strawmen arguments because you refuse to reply to what I actually said. I like the change in your vocabulary. Let me elucidate the errors in your textual ejaculations:

None of your three observations are valid.

Those weren't observations. Those were statements.

1. You now claim that The Holy Family did nothing illegal but the aliens crossing our border illegally are illegal aliens so there is no point of similarity in your comparison.

I wrote that the Holy Family crossed the bordered seeking refuge.

[2. You now say that you did not say that there was no documentation in ancient Rome but you previously insisted that The Holy Family had no documentation but you never showed that documentation existed approximately 2000 years ago so there is no point of similarity in your comparison with illegal aliens who do have access to documentation but do not bring it to the USA.

That was a massive run on incoherent sentence.

3. You say that you did not say that it was important for Rome to extend citizenship to conquered nations but you tried to say that The Holy Family, who were royal and Jesus was the rightful King of Israel, did not have citizenship but you did not mention until 777 forced you to admit that they were subjects of Rome and that the fact that the Israeli royals were not Roman citizens did not make them illegal aliens in the pit called Egypt.

Another run on sentence.
I said, that I did not say... that it was important for Rome....what?
Rome did not give citizenship to people in conquered nations just for living there or having been born there.
The Holy Family were not royalty in the Kingdom of Judea or Egypt.

No, I am not accepting anything you wrote because I reject your cultural marxism. The Holy Family was not homeless as was charged in the 1980s and they were not illegal aliens fleeing from one country to a country where they were not citizens as you charged but they were Roman subjects going legally from one province to another in the Roman empire with their own money and asking nothing from Egypt other than a temporary stay awaiting the death of Herod.

You realize that you write strangely?

 

[melchizedeck]

LOL, yeah, you said vaccines were not a drug, how stupid can one be to believe that? Yet:

The term “drug” means (A) articles recognized in the official United States Pharmacopoeia, official Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States, or official National Formulary, or any supplement to any of them; and (B) articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animals,,,

21 U.S. Code § 321 - Definitions; generally

The trip word is "prevention", Alatide.

Vaccines are not drugs. Rum is alcoholic. Coke is not. You can put rum in coke and make an alcoholic drink, but Coke is not alcoholic.

I have no idea what a "trip" word is, I think you mean "trick" and my username is not Alatide.

 

[melchizedeck]

None of your three observations are valid.

I did not post observations. I wrote statements.

My post was deleted.

 

[777]

Deleted you say? All those statements, just think if they had been observations!

Vaccines are not drugs. Rum is alcoholic. Coke is not. You can put rum in coke and make an alcoholic drink, but Coke is not alcoholic.

I have no idea what a "trip" word is, I think you mean "trick" and my username is not Alatide.

No, I meant trip, and what that means in that context is the part where you are proven wrong. Again, you claim vaccines are not drugs, the FDA defines otherwise. Maybe you being what you are, you'd believe Canada:

How are vaccines regulated in Canada?
Canada, like many other countries, exercises tight regulatory oversight over vaccines because they are usually given to very large numbers of healthy individuals. Vaccines in Canada are subject to the Food and Drugs Act and the Food and Drug Regulations. Vaccines are regulated under a specific set of regulations for a subset of drugs known as biologic drugs.

The Regulation of Vaccines for Human Use in Canada - Canada.ca

Rum is alcoholic. Coke is not. You can put rum in coke and make an alcoholic drink, but Coke is not alcoholic. But vaccines are drugs, show me otherwise. You can't.

 

[Alcott]

That's great. No one should have their kids exposed to deadly diseases because of another parent's "beliefs."

How does an unvaccinated kid infect another kid who has been vaccinated, if the vaccination works?

 

[Alcott]

I like how Christians can think they are free to vote for people that violates this. I have to do what Jesus says, but I can vote for someone who won't, even if I am voting for them BECAUSE of their anti-Christian beliefs. It's not wonder so many people think believers are nothing but hypocrites, because sometimes they blatantly and vocally violate their own faith.

So if you vote in support of nonchristian religionists to be free to proclaim another way of salvation or to worship an idol, then you are you a hypocrite for voting in support of what blatantly violates your beliefs (if you are a Christian)?

 

[church mouse guy]

I did not post observations. I wrote statements.

My post was deleted.

The Holy Family was royalty. You are wrong about everything.

 

[NoQuieroUnQueso]

How does an unvaccinated kid infect another kid who has been vaccinated, if the vaccination works?

It's not the vaccinated kids who are at risk of catching the disease from an unvaccinated kids. It's the kids who are either not old enough to get the vaccine, or more importantly, kids with compromised immune systems. People with compromised immune systems can't get vaccines, because their immune systems can't fight even the weakened disease in a vaccine.

(That's how vaccines work by the way, you're given a small dose of weakened or dead disease, and your immune system kills it and records it. Then you can't get the disease again.)

But immunocompromised people can very much catch a disease from someone who isn't vaccinated, and it can kill them easily. I had a couple kids in my school who had weakened immune systems, and they had to be extremely careful around people. That's why vaccines are important, so the kids who can't get vaccinated are protected from the disease.

 

[Alcott]

That's why vaccines are important, so the kids who can't get vaccinated are protected from the disease.

The ones who aren't vaccinated are the ones they want to kick out.

 

[NoQuieroUnQueso]

The ones who aren't vaccinated are the ones they want to kick out.

The ones who medically can't be vaccinated aren't the problem. It's the people willingly choosing to not vaccinate. They pose a risk for immunocompromised people and younger children who aren't old enough to vaccinate. No one is saying unvaccinated immunocompromised kids aren't allowed in school. Just those choosing to not vaccinate when they perfectly can. Herd immunity only works if most of the population is vaccinated. The less people who get vaccinated, the wider disease spreads.

On a related note, would you feel good if you chose not to vaccinate your kid, your kid gets a disease, and they give it to an immunocompromised kid who dies? Wouldn't you feel responsible? What if your kid dies from a disease that could've been avoided by a simple shot? Whooping cough, measles, smallpox, all of that kills babies. Would you really risk your child dying for something that could've been prevented?

 

[Salty]

The ones who medically can't be vaccinated aren't the problem. It's the people willingly choosing to not vaccinate. ...

Lets see - we have two kids who have not been vaccinated.
and one gets the disease- the one who had a medical exemption
the boy whose parents refused it on religious does not get sick.

Could it be the other way around - of course.

So how can you say that the one with the medical exemption isn't the problem.
In fact - its possible he may be more likely to get sick -.....

Now, if I have missed something - please enlighten me.

 

[NoQuieroUnQueso]

Lets see - we have two kids who have not been vaccinated.
and one gets the disease- the one who had a medical exemption
the boy whose parents refused it on religious does not get sick.

Could it be the other way around - of course.

So how can you say that the one with the medical exemption isn't the problem.
In fact - its possible he may be more likely to get sick -.....

Now, if I have missed something - please enlighten me.

A fair point. This could very well happen too. If the immunocompromised child doesn't get hospitalized immediately, they could pass it onto the religious exempt student. However, this wouldn't be a risk if the religious excempt student gets vaccinated.

There's a big difference between the two types of unvaccinated students. For one, the chance of dying is much more severe.

If you choose not to vaccinate your children, that is within your right. But please, don't make it a problem by risking getting other kids sick. Homeschool.

 

[Salty]

If you choose not to vaccinate your children, that is within your right. But please, don't make it a problem by risking getting other kids sick. Homeschool.

those

Do you even realize why these parents do not want their kids to be vaccinated?

 

[NoQuieroUnQueso]

those

Do you even realize why these parents do not want their kids to be vaccinated?

I've heard several reasons, yet I fail to see any with scientific or biblical backing. I just can't see why anyone would risk having their baby die from a preventable disease. I mean, yeah everyone's antivax until it's their infant with polio. I think we've forgotten back before vaccines, when child mortality rates were high and you had a greater chance if your baby dying than living. Vaccines were a great innovation. "You mean 4 of my 5 children don't have to die from smallpox?" That was a pretty good thing, preventing your baby from getting deathly ill. Why, in today's world, would you willingly risk your baby dying like that?

 

[Salty]

I've heard several reasons, yet I fail to see any with scientific or biblical backing. I just can't see why ...?

Exactly- YOU fail to see....

Now - would you want someone to come into your home and tell you what you must do -especially if you don't see a problem.
For example - your children are not allowed to have any soda pop, only 1 candy bar per week, not allowed to have a pet,
No more than 4 hours of TV per week, they must have a bath every day.......