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Vaccine mandates on public gatherings.

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JonC

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The govt is not letting business owners make a free choice. They are strong arming the businesses into making the "choice" the govt mandates.
What are the government mandates require a business to allow vacvinated customers?

(Serious question....I don't watch the news...I rely on you).
 

JonC

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@Reynolds ,

Looks like you are offering "fake news":

The administration has said that a vaccine passport may be required in the future for international travelers entering the U.S., but it will not impose a federal requirement for domestic purposes.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...about-covid-19-vaccine-passports-and-the-u-s/

Did you confuse this issue with the government saying businesses with 100+ employees need to require vaccinations or test for covid? If so, I already said (time and time again) this is government overreach.

If not, I ask again for the policy making companies require customers verify vaccine status.

I think you may be responding to fears of what may happen in the future instead of what is. I don't debate such hypotheticals but can explore them with you.
 

Reynolds

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@Reynolds ,

Looks like you are offering "fake news":

The administration has said that a vaccine passport may be required in the future for international travelers entering the U.S., but it will not impose a federal requirement for domestic purposes.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...about-covid-19-vaccine-passports-and-the-u-s/

Did you confuse this issue with the government saying businesses with 100+ employees need to require vaccinations or test for covid? If so, I already said (time and time again) this is government overreach.

If not, I ask again for the policy making companies require customers verify vaccine status.

I think you may be responding to fears of what may happen in the future instead of what is. I don't debate such hypotheticals but can explore them with you.
I don't post fake news. I don't recall saying Fed govt on this particular issue. Maybe I did, but didn't intend to. It's the states.
California Becomes First State To Require Vaccinations Or Testing For All Large Indoor Events
 

777

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oh, the Biden administration does want vaccine passports to be used domestically, they are just too scared to "go there" with a well-armed and polite society:

Biden eyes tougher vaccine rules without provoking backlash

but idiot lame duck De Blasio has a vax policy that would be heaven on earth to some people here:

In New York City, impending vaccination rules prompt concern

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move there
 

Reformed1689

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It is a crisis if the unvaccinated ate able to dictate to businesses how to protect their business.

We live in a free society. Bit more and more our freedoms are being eroded.

Now we see this with the anti-covid-vaccine movement.

They want to choose for themselves whether to be vaccinated. I agree they should.

But the they want to choose for business owners how they can protect their income, their employees and their customers!

What gives these vaccine rejections the right to decide how a private company does business?

They pretend to be about liberty but just beneath the facade they are stripping freedoms from our nation.

Let capitalism work! Stop trying to dictate everybody bow to your desires. If a venue requires vaccines and it us the wrong decision then capitalism will quickly fix it.

Minority rule is not the solution. Socialism is not the solution. Allow men to be free. Stop trying to strip others of liberty. You have yours - decide whether to get vaccinated. But leave us to live our lives and run our businesses as we see fit.
You are delusional.
 

JonC

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I don't post fake news. I don't recall saying Fed govt on this particular issue. Maybe I did, but didn't intend to. It's the states.
California Becomes First State To Require Vaccinations Or Testing For All Large Indoor Events
Ah. That is a different story. I am actually a states rights guy. So I do not care what California does. The citizens of California can handle their state.

I believe this the same for every state. I misunderstood you to be talking about the federal government.
 

JonC

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To clarify (there was a misunderstanding):

I do believe businesses should determine their own practices and the federal government has no say. But @Reynolds was speaking of state governments (particular California). This changes things.

A man living in Georgia or South Carolina has NO legitimate authority to impose his will on California.

States have rights. Most, I guess all, have to done extent sold their rights to the federal government for federal dollars.

If California makes it a law that every house us to be painted purple then that is an issue for California. If SC says every house is to be painted purple then that is an issue for me.

But we live in a free society governed by the people. State governors are elected by the people of the state and can be removed by the people of the state. We do not live in a nation where majority rules, but we do not live in States where minorities determine its governance.

What some are calling "freedom" and "liberty" is in fact tyrany. They want to determine how other people live, what other states do. They want a strong federal government if that government enacts their agendas.

Disclaimer - I will always argue for States rights. I believe the federal government has exceeded its authority but at the same time States have allowed it (which is a state issue).
 

Reformed1689

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Strawman argument. We are talking about businesses being able to decide if they require customers to show proof of vaccination - NOT people getting vaccinated.
it is no business of a business to know whether someone is vaccinated.
 

Revmitchell

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it is no business of a business to know whether someone is vaccinated.

Im starting to think this board or at least some on this board has been hired by the Dems to propagate their vaccine agenda. Possibly hired by the vaccine companies. What I’m seeing on this board doesn’t add up.
 
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JonC

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Im starting to think this board or at least some on this board has been hired by the Dems to propagate their vaccine agenda. Possibly hired by the vaccine companies. What I’m seeing on this board doesn’t add up.
Or perhaps by President Trump to promote the vaccines he said everybody should take because all three are completely safe and effective.
 

Revmitchell

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Or perhaps by President Trump to promote the vaccines he said everybody should take because all three are completely safe and effective.


See Trump also says if you don’t want to take it then don’t. He doesn’t use propagandist terms to shut down discussion. He doesn’t demonize those who disagree with him. He doesn’t call for businesses to look at proof before entering their establishment.

Pulling out the Trump card doesn’t gain you any credibility
 

JonC

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See Trump also says if you don’t want to take it then don’t. He doesn’t use propagandist terms to shut down discussion. He doesn’t demonize those who disagree with him. He doesn’t call for businesses to look at proof before entering their establishment.

Pulling out the Trump card doesn’t gain you any credibility
Yes. I agree with President Trump on this issue. Do not force vaccinations but at the same time do not violate the freedom of business owners.

We do NOT need to abandon capitalism or deny the liberty of business owners. Period.

He doesn’t demonize those who disagree with him.
Do you read what you write?? :Roflmao:Laugh
 

Revmitchell

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Yes. I agree with President Trump on this issue. Do not force vaccinations but at the same time do not violate the freedom of business owners.

We do NOT need to abandon capitalism or deny the liberty of business owners. Period.

Do you read what you write?? :Roflmao:Laugh

apparently you don’t agree with him. Cant have it both ways
 
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