Vaccine Passports

[Reynolds]

You are right and wrong. The "you are paving the way to the mark" argument is a tired argument. As a Christian I believe this will occur in God's timing and Christians are not endanger of receiving a mark.

This is no different than vaccinations to attend college. My son had to get a few shots and provide his shot record to be a resident student.

People should do the same to attend certain venues.

And you could easily exempt out of college immunizations.
You are way too willing to sacrifice liberty.
The slippery slope "fallacy" is in fact true. "Conservative" Christians like you are going to soon look back up that slope and wonder what happened!

 

[JonC]

Move on then. If the vax works, you are fine. Let freedom ring and quit trying to be tyrants.

This is not true.

The unvaccinated have a choice but are depriving the vaccinated of freedom. They are holding the nation hostage. The solution is to allow freedom and move on.

Another issue is insurance. Why should the vaccinated pay higher premiums to cover those who choose to be higher risks?

Unvax = socialism.

 

[Reynolds]

This is not true. There is more at stake.

Vaccines are not 100% effective. Unvaccinated pose a risk. We should not be robbed of our freedom because some do not want to be vaccinated. Let people choose whether to get a shot, but we need to move on as a nation. We do not need to force people to comply with a vaccine BUT we can't just give up our freedom either.

Vax don't work well. I agree with that. I should not be robbed of my freedom because a bunch of y'all will give away liberty because you are terrified of a SCAMdemic. You are willing to give the central govt a massive power grab because you are skeered.

 

[Reynolds]

This is not true.

The unvaccinated have a choice but are depriving the vaccinated of freedom. They are holding the nation hostage. The solution is to allow freedom and move on.

Another issue is insurance. Why should the vaccinated pay higher premiums to cover those who choose to be higher risks?

Unvax = socialism.

Vaxed equals socialism.
A choice. You have the "choice" to take the mark as well. You really think that coerced choice is compatible with the liberty our founders envisioned?

 

[JonC]

And you could easily exempt out of college immunizations.
You are way too willing to sacrifice liberty.
The slippery slope "fallacy" is in fact true. "Conservative" Christians like you are going to soon look back up that slope and wonder what happened!

It is not sacrificing liberty to be vaccinated. You are arguing "slippery slope", which is illogical.

Christians should put the well being of other people over their "secular liberty".

You argue that you should have the choice of being vaccinated. I agree.

But then you argue other people should be forced to potentially suffer the consequences of your decisions.

You are not talking about freedom and liberty here. You are talking about depriving other people of freedom.

 

[JonC]

Vaxed equals socialism.
A choice. You have the "choice" to take the mark as well. You really think that coerced choice is compatible with the liberty our founders envisioned?

Forced vaccination is socialistic. I agree.

But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about you exercising your "right" to potentially endanger other people.

If somebody does not want the shot that is fine. But those of us who ate responsible should not have to suffer consequences for their decisions.

 

[JonC]

Vax don't work well. I agree with that. I should not be robbed of my freedom because a bunch of y'all will give away liberty because you are terrified of a SCAMdemic. You are willing to give the central govt a massive power grab because you are skeered.

Vaccines have been proven effective, not only in clinical trials but in "real life".

I am not worried at all about the pandemic. I am vaccinated. I am more concerned about the unvaccinated holding our nation back.

Let people decide. But the unvaccinated need to stop insisting others have to ay the consequences for their decisions.

It is time for our nation to move forward. The unvaccinated can make their own decisions. We should not have to wait, to sacrifice our freedoms for their choices. I say open everything back up, full capacity, and require proof of vaccination to participate.

 

[Silverhair]

You sound just like the Tories who opposed colonialist protests against the Crown prior to the American Revolution. The Tories tried to make those protests as the actions of selfish people who refused to check their liberty for the good of the colony; to which the Sons of Liberty said, "Hogwash!"

There are other ways to deal with the pandemic besides a vaccine passport. This is not Nazi Germany or an Eastern block nation. If these cultural Nazis try to force American citizens to "show their papers" they are in for a rude awakening. Sure. Blue cities and states will probably be keen to the idea; mostly because they have a worse infection than COVID-19. It is called stupidity. But even in those states there are ardent patriots who will not stand for such an assault on their liberty. Red states such as Florid and Texas will do their best to ignore a federal order.

Then you have calculate on outright rebellion by a majority of the American people. They will see this for what it is; not an attempt to eradicate a virus, but an as an assault on liberty itself.

As for for those of you who do not mind ceding your liberty, feel free to do so. As for me and those like me, "Don't tread on me."

And for the record. I am not an anti-vaxer or anti-masker. I believe in reasonable precautions and individual liberty.

Wrap yourself in the flag. That is really going to work for you . Try reality. This thing will not just go away because you deny it.

 

[Silverhair]

And you could easily exempt out of college immunizations.
You are way too willing to sacrifice liberty.
The slippery slope "fallacy" is in fact true. "Conservative" Christians like you are going to soon look back up that slope and wonder what happened!

Well some of you may not be able to look back up the slope. I agree with JonC if you do not want it don't get it but just stop complaining. Deal with the restrictions.

 

[Reynolds]

Forced vaccination is socialistic. I agree.

But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about you exercising your "right" to potentially endanger other people.

If somebody does not want the shot that is fine. But those of us who ate responsible should not have to suffer consequences for their decisions.

You are playing word games. Coercion and force are one in the same. They overlap in most their scales.

 

[Reynolds]

Vaccines have been proven effective, not only in clinical trials but in "real life".

I am not worried at all about the pandemic. I am vaccinated. I am more concerned about the unvaccinated holding our nation back.

Let people decide. But the unvaccinated need to stop insisting others have to ay the consequences for their decisions.

It is time for our nation to move forward. The unvaccinated can make their own decisions. We should not have to wait, to sacrifice our freedoms for their choices. I say open everything back up, full capacity, and require proof of vaccination to participate.

Fine. You are worried about the vaccine. If yall actually thought it worked, you would open up and eliminate allus knuckle draggers who are holding all you enlightened, Covid Capitulating friends of Tyrany back.

 

[Reynolds]

Well some of you may not be able to look back up the slope. I agree with JonC if you do not want it don't get it but just stop complaining. Deal with the restrictions.

Y'all Covid Capitulating traitors go wallow in the mud at the bottom of the slope. I have had Covid twice and am more immune to Delta, G and Mu than any of you freedom forfeiting jab takers.

I have no problem with those who take the vax. I view those who support coerced vax as traitors.

 

[Silverhair]

Another person who hates freedom.

Funny you should say that as your the one that wants everyone to think the way you do. That is not freedom. Allowing people to make up their own mind is freedom.
Your logic is skewed.

 

[Silverhair]

Fine. You are worried about the vaccine. If yall actually thought it worked, you would open up and eliminate allus knuckle draggers who are holding all you enlightened, Covid Capitulating friends of Tyrany back.

Why do that when we can just bring in the passport restrictions and then we don't have to worry about you knuckle draggers.

 

[Reynolds]

Funny you should say that as your the one that wants everyone to think the way you do. That is not freedom. Allowing people to make up their own mind is freedom.
Your logic is skewed.

I am not trying to stop anyone from getting vaxed. You are trying to force the vax.

 

[Reynolds]

Spoken by someone who's argument is vapid. Logic is not on your side.

Logic is indeed in my side. Communism is on your side.

 

[Reynolds]

It is the other way around. I am the one saying people need freedom - people need to be able to make their own choices regarding their health. You are the one saying the minority should dictate the safety, the economy, and the freedom of the majority.

But that is how you socialists work, isn't it? You pretend to force yourselves onto other people to protect them but in the end it is all about power and determining the future of the masses.

Think about it this way:

1. You say nobody should be forced to take a shot. I agree.

2. Then you say nobody should be able to make decisions for their own health if they are vaccinated.

Why should the majority have to be subjected to potential risks so that you can do whatever you want?

Coerced free choice is not free choice.

 

[JonC]

Fine. You are worried about the vaccine. If yall actually thought it worked, you would open up and eliminate allus knuckle draggers who are holding all you enlightened, Covid Capitulating friends of Tyrany back.

No....AGAIN....I am not worried about any vaccines. I am vaccinated.

I am concerned about the unvaccinated effectively stripping away the rights of people, denying nations freedom, and hijacking economies.

Nobody is making people take a shot. But we should also not be made to join in the risky decisions of others.

Let the unvaccinated remain unvaccinated if they want. But as a nation it is time to ignore them and move forward. Require proof of vaccines for large venues (malls, concerts, indoor sports, etc ) and for air travel. Font force vaccinations but also don't allow ourselves to be held hostage by the unvaccinated. Move on.

The vaccine has been proven safe and effective. Not to many unvaccinated....but who cares. Let them make up their own minds as we move forward without them.

 

[Reynolds]

Why do that when we can just bring in the passport restrictions and then we don't have to worry about you knuckle draggers.

That fits right into your Communist plan.

 

[JonC]

Coerced free choice is not free choice.

Who coerced you to be vaccinated?

The issue is not coercion but the unvacvinated who want to force employers, businesses, and vaccinated people to bow to their wants.