Vaccine Passports

[Silverhair]

You are playing word games. Coercion and force are one in the same. They overlap in most their scales.

I really do not understand you. You want the freedom to not take the vax, and you have it yet you still complain. You say that the restrictions placed on you infringe on your freedoms. How so. You make a choice, others make a choice and say this is the requirement to do such and such then you complain and say they do not have the right to do that. Don't they have the same freedoms that you have? Freedom of choice.

 

[Reynolds]

Who coerced you to be vaccinated?

The issue is not coercion but the unvacvinated who want to force employers, businesses, and vaccinated people to bow to their wants.

If you are going to give business owners freedom to decide who they serve, give it to them. You can't only give unusual freedom in one area while not allowing it in others.
If a business owner can't refuse service due to sexual or religious choice, they can't refuse service based on vaccine choice.
People show their true colors when you scare them a tiny bit.

 

[Reynolds]

I really do not understand you. You want the freedom to not take the vax, and you have it yet you still complain. You say that the restrictions placed on you infringe on your freedoms. How so. You make a choice, others make a choice and say this is the requirement to do such and such then you complain and say they do not have the right to do that. Don't they have the same freedoms that you have? Freedom of choice.

You would fit in well in China.
You actually give business owners freedom to choose who they serve and you may have a point.

 

[Silverhair]

That fits right into your Communist plan.

There you go with silly comments again. Freedom is freedom of choice for all not just for those that think like you want them to. With freedom comes responsibility and with that comes consequences. You make your choice and live with the outcome of said choice. Does that not work for you?

 

[Reynolds]

There you go with silly comments again. Freedom is freedom of choice for all not just for those that think like you want them to. With freedom comes responsibility and with that comes consequences. You make your choice and live with the outcome of said choice. Does that not work for you?

You have freedom in communism. Freedom to follow the party or die in prison at hard labor. Hey, it's freedom. Y'all are trying to bring it to the USA.

 

[JonC]

If you are going to give business owners freedom to decide who they serve, give it to them. You can't only give unusual freedom in one area while not allowing it in others.
If a business owner can't refuse service due to sexual or religious choice, they can't refuse service based on vaccine choice.
People show their true colors when you scare them a tiny bit.

I would give a business the freedom of who to serve within the limits of the law (anti-discrimination laws establish this).

Restaurants require shoes and shirts (a pair of shoes and one shirt....minimum). You would say that is communism. But it is not.

Businesses should be able to protect their customers from people who would expose them to unnecessary risks (restaurants should be allowed to ban smoking in their facilities).

The unvacvinated are uncaccinated by choice. Those who made responsible decisions regarding their own health should not have to subject themselves to the risky behavior of others.

 

[Reynolds]

Jc and silver hair, does a business really have freedom to choose when the govt mandates their "choice"? The choice is require vaxes or get fined out of business by OSHA. Is that a real choice?

 

[Silverhair]

If you are going to give business owners freedom to decide who they serve, give it to them. You can't only give unusual freedom in one area while not allowing it in others.
If a business owner can't refuse service due to sexual or religious choice, they can't refuse service based on vaccine choice.
People show their true colors when you scare them a tiny bit.

Well if you think that then perhaps we should have a policy that says those that are not vaxed do not get treatment unless they can pay up front for it. That way the vaxed public does not get stuck with the bill.

 

[Reynolds]

I would give a business the freedom of who to serve within the limits of the law (anti-discrimination laws establish this).

Restaurants require shoes and shirts (a pair of shoes and one shirt....minimum). You would say that is communism. But it is not.

Businesses should be able to protect their customers from people who would expose them to unnecessary risks (restaurants should be allowed to ban smoking in their facilities).

The unvacvinated are uncaccinated by choice. Those who made responsible decisions regarding their own health should not have to subject themselves to the risky behavior of others.

There is no freedom. Anti discrimination laws. They seem to cover everything but vax status. How convenient.

 

[JonC]

That fits right into your Communist plan.

There you go with silly comments again.

yea....that was a pretty stupid comment.

@Reynolds is not a stupid guy. He is really quite sharp. He's just being silly.

Just go with it and play along. It's fun....comrade .

 

[Silverhair]

Jc and silver hair, does a business really have freedom to choose when the govt mandates their "choice"? The choice is require vaxes or get fined out of business by OSHA. Is that a real choice?

Business's have a number of restrictions placed on them for the safety of the public. Should we just get rid of all those because someone does not like them?

 

[JonC]

There is no freedom. Anti discrimination laws. They seem to cover everything but vax status. How convenient.

No. Anti-discrimination does not cover almost everything. Anti-discrimination laws are actual very specific.

 

[Silverhair]

I live in Alberta and we have a Gov leader here that hates restrictions of any kind. He kept his head in the sand when the cases started to jump and as a result our hospitals are over max and we are putting covid cases in general wards not ICU, no room.
Our economy is on life support and he still says well people have the right to do what they want. Not having restrictions sure does work. It can kill an economy in no time.

 

[Reynolds]

No. Anti-discrimination does not cover almost everything. Anti-discrimination laws are actual very specific.

They very broad.
Since my posts are being deleted, you can have this tread. Can't successfully argue against a mod with a delete button.

 

[Silverhair]

Will not, nor will I ever, support creating a second class group of citizens that are subservient to an upper class and restricted from providing for their family. Especially when the proposed second class would exist partially because of Christian Moral Objections.

Christians who believe it's moral to bulldoze their brethren's conscience on this issue are in direct violation of the Bible and will face severe judgement in the form of a millstone-around-the-neck for making little ones stumble over this.

From a worldly perspective, we also step closer to genocide each time this is brought up. The passport is nothing more than an "Us vs them" identifier to split a populace in two.

My dad fought in WW2 so that we would have the right to make free choices. And we have that right. You are exercising that right when you say no to the vax same as those that say yes to it. Do I agree with all the decisions that come out of our Gov. NO but they are the elected leaders we have right now.
Jesus said we should support/obey the Law. Luk 20:25 For me as long as they are not going against God I can support them but only up to that point. What I am saying is that it is up to you to decide when that point is reached the same as it is for everyone else.

 

[JonC]

They very broad.
Since my posts are being deleted, you can have this tread. Can't successfully argue against a mod with a delete button.

The "anti-discriminatiin laws" are title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and made it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin or sex.

 

[JonC]

And you could easily exempt out of college immunizations.
You are way too willing to sacrifice liberty.
The slippery slope "fallacy" is in fact true. "Conservative" Christians like you are going to soon look back up that slope and wonder what happened!

Nope. Just checked. The college has required and recommended vaccinations. Residents have to meet immunization requirement.

 

[37818]

The unvaccinated have a choice but are depriving the vaccinated of freedom.

Explain this logic? Unvaccinated is not in and of itself meaning infected. Some have an immunity which is known to be better than the vaccine. Reinfection remains rare.

 

[37818]

I am vaccinated.

Only a minority ARE being injured by current anti COVID vaccines. But there seems to be a coverup on this unlike any other vaccines.

Here is what is officially admitted,
COVID-19 Vaccination

 

[JonC]

Explain this logic? Unvaccinated is not in and of itself meaning infected. Some have an immunity which is known to be better than the vaccine. Reinfection remains rare.

Sure. This is in context of an argument.

The unvacvinated have freedom. They are not bring forced to be vacvinated but can be should they desire so.

BUT the argument here is not only for that freedom but to force vacvinated people to accept a greater risk. The argument is to deny the majority a safer environment in addition to exercising a choice to refuse a vaccine.