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Zaac

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So just how far are willing to go to uphold your self righteous proclamations?

So just how far are you willing to go to uphold your self-righteous proclamations against my proclamations?

Have you stopped paying taxes to our "evil" government?

That would be unBiblical. I am to abide by the laws of the land if they do not conflict with God's law. There is no law of the land that says I must vote for that which is against Christ.


Have you stopped using any products that were produced by government funded bailouts?

Is there a Biblical law that says using such products is against Christ?


The real power in Washington isn't even the president. It's in the Legislative branch. That's where the laws are made. The President has no power to make laws.
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Nevada

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I think Romney is more aligned with the forces seeking to make American clergy dependent upon government handouts.

"He who accepts the King's coin . . "
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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That's not going to happen this time around brother, so in the mean time, let's turn to scripture.

1 Timothy 2:1-3 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;


Now one of those fellows is going to president, so no matter which one it is, we are told to pray for them.

But which one do you think is more likely to let us "live a quiet and peaceable" life as Christians?

Neither.....they are both militaristic, both are tied to Banksters, both have been caught demeaning Americans. Both have pushed thru unconstitutional health care systems on the citizenry. Perhaps they are halves of one whole. Ive made up my mind, I will not & cannot in good conscience vote for either.
 
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TCassidy

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Has this been proven?
Yes.
Has this been proven.
Yes.
So what? Perhaps our way of life deserves to be destroyed because we're like whitewashed tombs pretending to care about Christ on the outside while supporting that which is against Him.
Speak for yourself. If that is a description of your spiritual condition you should do something to change it. If you are claiming you are more spiritual than the rest of us might I remind you of Romans 14:4, "Who are you to judge the servant of another?" Self righteousness is a terrible sin.
 

LadyEagle

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This entire stupid argument is based on the unproven assumption that one or both of the candidates is evil.

That assumption has not been proven to be true therefore the "lesser of two evils" nonsense is a false argument.

A vote for Obama is a vote FOR socialism, abortion of children at any time even after their partial birth, and a vote to abandon living babies and allowing them to die slow, painful deaths. A vote for Obama is a vote for the end of the bill of rights and the loss of our hard won liberty.

A vote for Romney is a vote for capitalism, life, liberty, and the well being of our once great nation.

A vote for anybody except Romney is a vote that will give Obama a second them and the destruction of our way of life.

Agreed. :thumbs:
 

Oldtimer

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God calls evil evil. Bib, I thought you believed in total depravity. Romney is a big time mormon. Read up on what they believe. I am not voting for the "lesser" of two evils again. I will pray to the One who is really in control of all human events though. And look only for His return. I don't see Jesus approving/voting for a man who thinks He is a created being and that Lucifer is His bro and then say he is more moral than Obama. And no I would never vote for him either.

Yes, God calls evil evil. And God also uses evil men to accomplish His purposes. Yes, all members of the body of Christ, should be lifting their voices in prayer. And, while looking for His return, also be prepared for His return and His judgement.

Right now, I don't see Jesus approving/voting for any man, within the context of this thread. God, the Son, isn't making a choice as to who will lead HIM. Instead, He is waiting for sinful men to join HIS church. Prior to establishing His Kingdom, His rulership on earth, He is watching to see what we do with what we have, no matter how small the amount may be. Whether 7 pennies or 1 vote. Each of us will have to give an accounting to Him. Did we invest wisely or did we bury what we were given in the ground for safe keeping until His return? Or, did we cast it in the weeds and thorns where there was no hope of a fruitful harvest?

If you don't vote for either of them, you are not canceling out the vote of someone who did.

If Zaac votes for Obama and I vote for Romney the net effect is zero.

If Zaac votes for Obama and I don't vote, the net effect is Obama 1.

If Zaac votes for Obama and I vote 3rd party, the net effect is Obama 1 more than Romney.

Choosing not to vote or to vote 3rd party is indeed voting, in essence, by proxy for Obama.

Burying the vote we were given to invest or planting where there's no hope of a harvest, regardless of how meager the return on investment may be. When we stand before Him, He will judge everything in our lives, including how we chose to invest the ONE vote that we were given for the 2012 presidential election.

My one vote isn't much to invest and there isn't a lot of potential for a good return on the investment. However, if my one vote can help prevent ONE baby from being murdered in the womb I'm ready to accept whatever my Saviour's judgement may be when I stand before Him. I already have too much to account to Him for in my life. I can't add the killing of a baby to the list, when there was even a very small, tiny, remote, possibility that I could have helped stop that single death.

Each must choose. Each must make their own decision about the path they take. Each must don the armour of the Lord and take their stand.

In this case I cannot vote for Obama directly or indirectly. When compared to facing my Saviour, the judgements of other men will matter little. Only His judgement makes a difference in my eternity with Him. I long to hear Him say:

Matthew 25: KJB
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
 

saturneptune

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Well dont you be that guy....the one that becomes complacent. YOU CHRISTIAN, you work & pray that you can bring people to Christ because ony a Christian (one with a changed mind, heart & conscience) will teach & show by example his better Christian self. Work in your own small community to help the widows & orphans & the destitute to have hope (I recall a guy named Mr. Ed Schultz who did good for me & my brother when we were poor & fatherless....try to be like Mr Ed (LOL).

Effect change in your local politics (Im trying to do that more after neglecting it for 54 Years & watching my town go down the rat hole because of crooked political hacks who stole from it while I was not paying attention). Rescue an animal from a pound & give that creature a life filled with love. Do something about your state government....write your Congressman & Senators to get stuff done. Go on local blogs & make your voice known. Do all these things Christian & more and show the world that you are an active participant in God's Kingdom because you have a leg up as God will bless you & help you & lead you in the important stuff. God is not calling us into our heads, yet we have lived there so long that we have forgotten how to actively be Salt & Light to the world. Change that Christian & start by doing something that make a solid contribution to God's Kingdom.....thats what he put you here for Christian.
I am guilty of a lot of things but complaceny is not one of them. I will not repeat the often repeated story about the Constitution Party and the national convention and the grass roots work at home.
 

Jedi Knight

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Willfully blind is correct.

How on earth did it get to the point where Christians will admit that we're dealing with two evil candidates, but be dead set in convincing themselves that one evil is better than the other so that they can stomach voting for the evil?

Why is it even up for discussion? Does the Body---which is supposed to be all about building up God's Kingdom---not realize you can't build up God's Kingdom while supporting that which is against Him?

You can't serve two masters and a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Fail! You don't read the scriptures to see that God can use lost people to get the job done? Would you care who it was that pushed the button to slow or stop the baby murder machine? Obama will put oil in the machine and Romney will probably be passive but not seek to oil it further. More concerned over Big Bird?
 
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Zaac

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Neither.....they are both militaristic, both are tied to Banksters, both have been caught demeaning Americans. Both have pushed thru unconstitutional health care systems on the citizenry. Perhaps they are halves of one whole. Ive made up my mind, I will not & cannot in good conscience vote for either.

Amen!:applause: After seeing the way they are so buddy buddy with each other after the debates, i'm convinced more than ever that the powers that be in both parties are in cahoots and don't give a flying hoot about anything except power and money.
 

Zaac

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Fail! You don't read the scriptures to see that God can use lost people to get the job done?

Did I say He couldn't use lost people? Where's the Biblical example of God directing His people to elevate that which worships a false god?

Would you care who it was that pushed the button to slow or stop the baby murder machine
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And I ask again, because so many keep talking about abortion, abortion, abortion. why is no one talking about this man worshiping a false god?

Obama will put oil in the machine and Romney will probably be passive but not seek to oil it further.

That's a big probably. God deals in absolutes. And both are absolutely anti-Christs and neither will get my vote.
 

Zaac

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Where? Where has someone proven that he will do something that hasn't happened yet?

Speak for yourself. If that is a description of your spiritual condition you should do something to change it. If you are claiming you are more spiritual than the rest of us might I remind you of Romans 14:4, "Who are you to judge the servant of another?" Self righteousness is a terrible sin.

you haven't seen me claim anything. But let me claim that yall certainly do like to bandy around that self-righteous word. The liberals say the same thing about conservatives.
 

saturneptune

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Amen!:applause: After seeing the way they are so buddy buddy with each other after the debates, i'm convinced more than ever that the powers that be in both parties are in cahoots and don't give a flying hoot about anything except power and money.
Baloney, the liberal agenda permeates every fiber of your being.
 

Oldtimer

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Oh my ....come on...letting this kid get under your skin. Use ypur "Ignore" feature if he p/o's ya that much.

What?

Deprive myself of the opportunity to use all the text enhancement features to express my opinion?

:laugh: :type: :laugh:
 

Arbo

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Amen!:applause: After seeing the way they are so buddy buddy with each other after the debates, i'm convinced more than ever that the powers that be in both parties are in cahoots and don't give a flying hoot about anything except power and money.

Little wonder that you have trouble playing nicely here. You don't know the difference between buddy buddy and politeness.

I don't know about Romney, but to anyone with reasonable vision it's obvious that Obama has a personal dislike of both Romney and Ryan that goes beyond political rivalry. Watch the body language.
 
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