Voting Day (Again) in Georgia

[JonC]

Link to the claim?

No. The reason is I like Walker for his work with the military (and his platform).

Believe what you want to believe. Vote for who you want to win.

Just stop making stuff up about me.

 

[JonC]

You have said why you don't vote. You have said so quite a few times. I have no need to ask you. You accusing anyone of dishonesty is funny. I thought @Salty told everyone to knock off the dishonesty accusations. That must fall into rules for me that don't apply to JohnnyC.

I have said exactly why I do not vote. So you have no excuse for your comments.

The explanation you are pointing to by me is that I praise God we have Christians in office but I am personally convicted not to vote because I believe I should abstain from secular politics as it is a worldly power.

If you knew that is my personal position then why did you post something entirely different?

 

[Reynolds]

I have said exactly why I do not vote. So you have no excuse for your comments.

The explanation you are pointing to by me is that I praise God we have Christians in office but I am personally convicted not to vote because I believe I should abstain from secular politics as it is a worldly power.

If you knew that is my personal position then why did you post something entirely different?

I said just that. Your not mingling in a political system you see as secular (not perfect) is "Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good." That is what I called you out on. I am not appealing to any Admin. Just pointing out to @Salty that you again called me a liar.I am perfectly confident he won't do anything about it.

 

[JonC]

I said just that. Your not mingling in a political system you see as secular is "Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good." That is what I called you out on. I am not appealing to any Admin. Just pointing out to @Salty that you again called me a liar.I am perfectly confident he won't do anything about it.

No, that is not what I said.

I'm not talking about perfect vs imperfect.

I am saying that I believe the Early Church was correct (I believe their arguments against Roman opposition to Christianity by those like Celsus has merit).

Christians should vote or not vote as they deem right. They should not impose their views onto others.

 

[Wingman68]

I have said exactly why I do not vote. So you have no excuse for your comments.

The explanation you are pointing to by me is that I praise God we have Christians in office but I am personally convicted not to vote because I believe I should abstain from secular politics as it is a worldly power.

If you knew that is my personal position then why did you post something entirely different?

I really have a hard time tolerating statements like this. I’ve seen this web being spun before, it always ends up the same. The hapless, (not because they are truly hapless but because they don’t expect to be waylaid by a moderator) the painfully honest people are the ones to leave the building, whether through personal choice or not. Fortunately, I have been here long enough to see how you play this game, & it is not something for you to be self-righteous about, but maybe someone will fall for it, who knows?! No sale today at my house.

 

[JonC]

I really have a hard time tolerating statements like this. I’ve seen this web being spun before, it always ends up the same. The hapless, (not because they are truly hapless but because they don’t expect to be waylaid by a moderator) the painfully honest people are the ones to leave the building, whether through personal choice or not. Fortunately, I have been here long enough to see how you play this game, & it is not something for you to be self-righteous about, but maybe someone will fall for it, who knows?! No sale today at my house.

I suspect you have trouble tolerating statements like that only because it was my view Reynolds was misrepresenting.

I suspect were a member to misrepresent you then you would be quick to call the post dishonest.

You two will never change my mind. Christians need to prayerfully follow their convictions when it comes to voting. They should not allow Christians on the alt right or alt left bully them to violate their conscious as that would be to sin.

 

[Reynolds]

No, that is not what I said.

I'm not talking about perfect vs imperfect.

I have not lied about you. What I said was completely true. You simply do not agree with my application of terms. Report away. You the one who broke the rules. I am sure it will turn into rules for me and not for JohnnyC.

 

[JonC]

I have not lied about you. What I said was completely true. You simply do not agree with my opinion about you. Report away. You the one who broke the rules.

What you said is false. Members can offer opinions about other members views, but members cannot define other members beliefs.

In other words, you do not have the right to post that I believe something that I do not believe. That is not an opinion.

Illustration - I can believe that your political views are wrong. That is fine. It is my opinion. But I have no right to say that you support abortion.

You intentionally (by your own admission) posted something that you knew was false (if you do know my position) on the forum.

And that is against the rules. You are not allowed to define the beliefs of others.

 

[JonC]

@Reynolds,

I see you have been busy editing your posts.

That is good. Now that you are walking your claims back, I'll follow suit.

 

[JonC]

Nice try Jon C. Make sure that Salty has my originals to see. I did not change any meaning. I added Two words to one about 3 min after posting. You are truly a pitiful individual.

We can always see originals.

You walked back the part I called you out on.

That was good of you, correcting yourself.

 

[Reynolds]

We can always see originals.

You walked back the part I called you out on.

That was good of you, correcting yourself.

I did no such thing. Glad you have the originals.

 

[JonC]

I did no such thing. Glad you have the originals.

Sure you did. I had called secular politics "secular". You went back and edited your post to redefine "secular" as "perfect" to support your argument.

Ignoring that "secular" does not mean "perfect" (it means "of or relating to the worldly"), you were covering your tracks.

You just are not man enough to admit it. That is a Southern trait you apparently lack.

 

[Reynolds]

Sure you did. I had called secular politics "secular". You went back and edited your post to redefine "secular" as "perfect" to support your argument.

Ignoring that "secular" does not mean "perfect" (it means "of or relating to the worldly"), you were covering your tracks.

You just are not man enough to admit it. That is a Southern trait you apparently lack.

I clarified meaning. I changed no meaning. As many times as you have rambled on about why you don't vote, do you really think I did not know why you didn't vote,? My context was plain.

 

[Van]

It isn't what the Dems say about Walker. I don't trust either side.

And I realize that good people lie. I know Walker was in the NFL spot light and may have felt pressure (even if self imposed).

But my main complaint against Biden (as a person, i.e., aside from his platform) was his integrity. That was one reason he failed in his previous runs for President.

How can I expect a higher degree of integrity from Democrat candidates than I would for Republican candidates? How can I pretend Walker is honest when I know he is not?

The answer, of course, is of I were a Republican (Republicans and Democrats ignore the flaws in their candidates while focusing on the flaws of their opponents). But I belong to neither party.

My complaint is not that Walker is a worse candidate than Warnock. You can't really get worse than Warnock.

My complaint is neither are good candidates for political office.

Georgia has better people, better potential candidates. They have to.

People who withhold their vote help elect Dems. Nuff said...

 

[JonC]

People who withhold their vote help elect Dems. Nuff said...

Doesn't matter. Christians should obey God regardless of the consequences. Kingdom work has to be done in Kingdom ways.

If a Christian is convicted to vote then he or she should vote. If convicted to abstain they should abstain.

No amount of rationalizing voting for a "lesser evil" should change anybody mind. They should obey God and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[JonC]

I clarified meaning. I changed no meaning. As many times as you have rambled on about why you don't vote, do you really think I did not know why you didn't vote,? My context was plain.

I thought you understood as I was very clear.

I abstain from voting because that is my conviction. I expect others vote because that is their conviction.

It is very telling that the only people here urging people to violate their convictions are Christian Republicans.

But your context was far from plain. I never in a million years would have thought you believed "secular" means "imperfect".

Georgia, eh?

 

[Van]

Doesn't matter. Christians should obey God regardless of the consequences. Kingdom work has to be done in Kingdom ways.

If a Christian is convicted to vote then he or she should vote. If convicted to abstain they should abstain.

No amount of rationalizing voting for a "lesser evil" should change anybody mind. They should obey God and let the chips fall where they may.

What about those heading in the wrong direction but under conviction? Or counting the cost? He who aids in the hindrance of Christ's ministry is building with things that will burn up.

 

[JonC]

What about those heading in the wrong direction but under conviction? Or counting the cost? He who aids in the hindrance of Christ's ministry is building with things that will burn up.

That is simple. If it is prohibited by God in Scripture then our conviction does not matter.

The Early Church abstained from many things out of conscious. They did not vote (under the Riman Empire they could for specific offices), they refused to hold office, and they refused to serve in the military. They suffered for their convictions. But their reasons were godly.

Christians vote, hold offices and serve in the military. And their reasons should also be godly.

The larger question is why a Christian would believe any secular political party is the mi istry of Christ.

The GOP has not attributed its political victories to God. They take the credit (and tell us about it when their term is towards an end). And that is fine, they should take credit because they are a secular power.

As for me, I do not believe any political party is the Kingdom builders you make the GOP out to be. Scripture seems to indicate otherwise.

 

[canadyjd]

So, just saw an update with Walker up 50+% to Warnock 49%. He’s up by about 40 K votes with over 2,5 million cast.

Walker has a chance to pull this off. It would be a big upset, imo.

Of course, we will wait to see if they stop counting ballots for the night, then pull totes full of ballots from the closets after everyone leaves.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

So, just saw an update with Walker up 50+% to Warnock 49%. He’s up by about 40 K votes with over 2,5 million cast.

Walker has a chance to pull this off. It would be a big upset, imo.

Of course, we will wait to see if they stop counting ballots for the night, then pull totes full of ballots from the closets after everyone leaves.

peace to you

I'm just happy Stacey Abrams isn't governor.