Voting Day (Again) in Georgia

[DaveXR650]

Not totally correct - Most of what is required in school is based on what the State/Commonwealth Education Dept demands.
And when it comes to the School budget - about 90% is fixed and very little is based on the local school district needs.

I'm just saying that within 15 miles of where I live I can take you to a completely dysfunctional high school where almost no one graduates qualified to succeed in college. Five miles in another direction is a school where the kids are absolutely kicking butt. Same state board of education, same state budget. The difference is the community.

 

[Salty]

I'm just saying that within 15 miles of where I live I can take you to a completely dysfunctional high school where almost no one graduates qualified to succeed in college. Five miles in another direction is a school where the kids are absolutely kicking butt. Same state board of education, same state budget. The difference is the community.

Is it the community or the parents?

Just realized we are getting way off OP
will start a new thread

 

[Reynolds]

Is it the community or the parents?

More than likely it is demographics

 

[Salty]

I'm just saying that within 15 miles of where I live I can take you to a completely dysfunctional high school where almost no one graduates qualified to succeed in college. Five miles in another direction is a school where the kids are absolutely kicking butt. Same state board of education, same state budget. The difference is the community.

Here is the new thread I started -
Why are some school good and others bad?

and now back to the OP which stated
What if people could see a simple chart on candidate’s positions in every election? I know my sister already voted in Georgia. I know how she voted. She voted against her beliefs, but she doesn’t even realize it. Can’t be bothered to question how she’s always voted. Gets aggravated with the news, the commercials, the attitudes surrounding her, the direction of the country………..but she always votes………..

 

[JonC]

If Christians stopped voting, the GOP would disappear.

No, it wouldn't disappear. But maybe instead of a holding an anti-abortion stance in name only (supporting most abortions by trying to restrict those after a 20 week gestation period or fighting for states to have the right to decide) they would become anti-abortion in order to get the vote of Christians who refuse to support any abortion.

 

[Reynolds]

No, it wouldn't disappear. But maybe instead of a holding an anti-abortion stance in name only (supporting most abortions by trying to restrict those after a 20 week gestation period or fighting for states to have the right to decide) they would become anti-abortion in order to get the vote of Christians who refuse to support any abortion.

But they are still secular, so you still couldn't support them.

 

[JonC]

But they are still secular, so you still couldn't support them.

I wouldn't. But at least the Christian would be affecting the world through their voice by not supporting them.

One major issue I have with the GOP is the definition it uses towards its "anti-abortion" platform.

The GOP seeks to make abortion after the 20th week gestation period illegal while keeping abortion at the 20th week and before legal. A few are trying to change legal abortions to the 15th week (Graham one of these) which would allow 93.8% of US abortions.

The problem here is that the GOP platform supports 98.9% of abortions (93.8% are prior to the 14th week and 5.1% are between the 14th an 20th week).

Then we have the "victory" of declaring each state should have the right to decide for itself if abortion will be legal within its borders.

The GOP is far from anti-abortion. They just use the issue to attract Chriatians.

A Christian who supports the DNC supports 100% of the abortions that happen in the US.

A Christian who supports the GOP supports 98.9% of the abortions that happen in the US.

I cannot support abortion.

 

[JonC]

But they are still secular, so you still couldn't support them.

My question to you is how you can support 98.9% of the abortions that occur in the US? You may oppose abortion in principle but you support it in practice.

 

[Reynolds]

My question to you is how you can support 98.9% of the abortions that occur in the US? You may oppose abortion in principle but you support it in practice.

I am opposed to all abortion. I support laws that reduce them. Eliminate is the perfect, reduce is the good.

 

[Van]

Care? Yes. I believe it is important that we remain informed.

Scripture teaches about worldly powers, about powers of darkness, etc. Scripture teaches us about sin, about immorality, about rebellion, etc. That doesn't mean Scripture teaches us that we should participate in those things.

By your (and @Van )reasoning a vote for somebody like Trump or a vote for a strong anti-abortionist is a vote for the Democrat Party because it would alienate voters who may otherwise vote GOP. You always must seek compromise - compromise your principles, co.promise your faith, compromise your political views.

More fault finding, but still not admitting a vote for Dems is a vote against Christ. Every hear the one about not letting the perfect become the enemy of the good?

 

[Van]

JonC said:
You and @Van condemn me because I refuse to support abortion, even if in a process or compromise.

Please JonC, do not put words in my mouth.

I believe you are mistaken in your choice to not vote against the most anti-Christian political party.

 

[JonC]

I am opposed to all abortion. I support laws that reduce them. Eliminate is the perfect, reduce is the good.

I know you are anti-abortion, but in action you also support keeping 98.9% of abortions legal at a federal level.

Senator Graham is discussing whether to reduce that acceptance level to 93.8% but it looks like there is too much resistance in the GOP.

When I say you support abortion I do not mean your beliefs but your actions. There ate plenty of Democrats who ate anti-abortion but support abortion via supporting a political party that keeps abortion legal. You are no different.

Your compromise is supporting keeping 98.1% of abortions legal at the federal level, giving states the right to kill the unborn. Your justification is that you hope to reduce abortions by 1.1% in the US. Your last measure of victory was giving states the right to choose whether to kill babies.

Forgive me if I do not want to jump onboard your political train. My local church has had more success over the past 5 years in preventing abortion within our area through outreach ministries than your political party has seen in the last 52 years. Your compromise makes you weak.

 

[JonC]

More fault finding, but still not admitting a vote for Dems is a vote against Christ. Every hear the one about not letting the perfect become the enemy of the good?

This is not true. I have said repeatedly that voting for the Democrat Party is supporting a platform that is made up of the sins of Romans 3 and is against Christ.

You are anti-abortion in theiry, but in practice you suggest supporting 98.9% of the abortions performed in the US. You suggest supporting each states right to decide for itself whether to kill babies.

You will never convince me that it is better to support killing one child, much less 98.9% of the unborn children killed in the US, in order to reduce the amount of dead babies by 1.1%.

The reason is, regardless of your belief, you are exactly like an anti-abortion Democrat- you believe one thing but compromise your beliefs to support another.

You can claim you are reducing abortion, but 98.9% of that blood still stains your hands.

I simply will not support abortion. I am not willing to compromise in this area because I do not believe the ends justify the means. I have seen much more success in preventing abortion through godly ministries than I have through worldly powers.

 

[Reynolds]

I know you are anti-abortion, but in action you also support keeping 98.9% of abortions legal at a federal level.

Senator Graham is discussing whether to reduce that acceptance level to 93.8% but it looks like there is too much resistance in the GOP.

When I say you support abortion I do not mean your beliefs but your actions. There ate plenty of Democrats who ate anti-abortion but support abortion via supporting a political party that keeps abortion legal. You are no different.

Your compromise is supporting keeping 98.1% of abortions legal at the federal level, giving states the right to kill the unborn. Your justification is that you hope to reduce abortions by 1.1% in the US. Your last measure of victory was giving states the right to choose whether to kill babies.

Forgive me if I do not want to jump onboard your political train. My local church has had more success over the past 5 years in preventing abortion within our area through outreach ministries than your political party has seen in the last 52 years. Your compromise makes you weak.

This is not true. I have said repeatedly that voting for the Democrat Party is supporting a platform that is made up of the sins of Romans 3 and is against Christ.

You are anti-abortion in theiry, but in practice you suggest supporting 98.9% of the abortions performed in the US. You suggest supporting each states right to decide for itself whether to kill babies.

You will never convince me that it is better to support killing one child, much less 98.9% of the unborn children killed in the US, in order to reduce the amount of dead babies by 1.1%.

The reason is, regardless of your belief, you are exactly like an anti-abortion Democrat- you believe one thing but compromise your beliefs to support another.

You can claim you are reducing abortion, but 98.9% of that blood still stains your hands.

I simply will not support abortion. I am not willing to compromise in this area because I do not believe the ends justify the means. I have seen much more success in preventing abortion through godly ministries than I have through worldly powers.

I know you are anti-abortion, but in action you also support keeping 98.9% of abortions legal at a federal level.

Senator Graham is discussing whether to reduce that acceptance level to 93.8% but it looks like there is too much resistance in the GOP.

When I say you support abortion I do not mean your beliefs but your actions. There ate plenty of Democrats who ate anti-abortion but support abortion via supporting a political party that keeps abortion legal. You are no different.

Your compromise is supporting keeping 98.1% of abortions legal at the federal level, giving states the right to kill the unborn. Your justification is that you hope to reduce abortions by 1.1% in the US. Your last measure of victory was giving states the right to choose whether to kill babies.

Forgive me if I do not want to jump onboard your political train. My local church has had more success over the past 5 years in preventing abortion within our area through outreach ministries than your political party has seen in the last 52 years. Your compromise makes you weak.

I am most interested in the individual states that will for all practical purposes outlaw abortion.A national absolute ban would be nice, but until Republicans control both houses and White House, it can't happen.

 

[JonC]

I am most interested in the individual states that will for all practical purposes outlaw abortion.A national absolute ban would be nice, but until Republicans control both houses and White House, it can't happen.

I know. I also like that some states will make abortion illegal.

But at the same time, you are no different with anti-abortion people who vote Democrat.

Your support goes to supporting 98.9% of abortions (the GOP has at this time drawn stance to keep abortion legal at a federal level until the 20th week). And you are supporting the right for many states to kill the unborn.

That is the problem with compromise. You may get a little of what you want, but the cost is supporting much of what you do not want.

I simply will not support abortion. I will not concede my conscience and values to any worldly power.

That said, vote your conscience. I don't judge you for your decisions. I do not like that you are pro-life only in principle. But that is not my business.

What is my business is claims that if I do not support keeping 98% of abortions legal or if I do not fight for killing children to be a state right then I am against Christ. That is an absurd charge.

We are not just responsible for things we struggle against. We are also responsible for things we support.

 

[Reynolds]

I know. I also like that some states will make abortion illegal.

But at the same time, you are no different with anti-abortion people who vote Democrat.

Your support goes to supporting 98.9% of abortions (the GOP has at this time drawn stance to keep abortion legal at a federal level until the 20th week). And you are supporting the right for many states to kill the unborn.

That is the problem with compromise. You may get a little of what you want, but the cost is supporting much of what you do not want.

I simply will not support abortion. I will not concede my conscience and values to any worldly power.

That said, vote your conscience. I don't judge you for your decisions. I do not like that you are pro-life only in principle. But that is not my business.

What is my business is claims that if I do not support keeping 98% of abortions legal or if I do not fight for killing children to be a state right then I am against Christ. That is an absurd charge.

We are not just responsible for things we struggle against. We are also responsible for things we support.

I am no supporting the right of anyone to kill a baby. I support any measure that limits abortion in any meaningful way.

 

[JonC]

I am no supporting the right of anyone to kill a baby. I support any measure that limits abortion in any meaningful way.

You are supporting both. Like you said, you believe it is a process.

You are supporting the limiting of 1.1% federally approved abortions by supporting keeping 98.9% of abortions legal at the federal level. You are supporting giving each state the right to kill unborn babies with the hope many will choose to restrict abortions.

That is the problem with compromise. You support limiting abortions at the cost of supporting most abortions.

You hold an anti-abortion principle, but in the end you are supporting abortion in practice. I am not sure that your words outweigh your actions. You seem to believe that do, I just do not see how.

 

[JonC]

@Reynolds ,

Brian Kemp committed to not banning abortions from conception to 6 weeks. That means that Brian Kemp had committed to keeping 43% of abortions legal.

That means Georgia residents who voted for Kemp directly supported killing 14,700 unborn babies in Georgia clinics.

The GOP has decided that abortion should be federally legal until the 20th week. That means those who voted Republican directly supported killing 613,500 unborn children within the US.

The idea is to get votes. I'm pretty sure most in the GOP would prefer to ban abortions. But they vow to kill thousands of children now so maybe others won't in the future.

We both believe abortion is wrong. But we are different in practice.

You are willing to support killing 613,500 a year now in the hopes others will kill less babies in the future.

I am simply not willing to kill babies.

 

[Van]

This is not true. I have said repeatedly that voting for the Democrat Party is supporting a platform that is made up of the sins of Romans 3 and is against Christ.

You are anti-abortion in theiry, but in practice you suggest supporting 98.9% of the abortions performed in the US. You suggest supporting each states right to decide for itself whether to kill babies.

You will never convince me that it is better to support killing one child, much less 98.9% of the unborn children killed in the US, in order to reduce the amount of dead babies by 1.1%.

The reason is, regardless of your belief, you are exactly like an anti-abortion Democrat- you believe one thing but compromise your beliefs to support another.

You can claim you are reducing abortion, but 98.9% of that blood still stains your hands.

I simply will not support abortion. I am not willing to compromise in this area because I do not believe the ends justify the means. I have seen much more success in preventing abortion through godly ministries than I have through worldly powers.

Lets see, supporting restrictions on abortion does not eliminate all abortions, so do not vote and help those advocating abortion on demand. Got it..

 

[JonC]

Lets see, supporting restrictions on abortion does not eliminate all abortions, so do not vote and help those advocating abortion on demand. Got it..

No. You miss the point.

You want restrictions on abortions. You support 98.9% of the abortions performed in the US because it is political capitol in preventing 1.1% of abortions (as a federal law).

So yes, you are trying to save about 6,800 babies. That is a good thing. BUT you are supporting the deaths of about 613,500 unborn children.

You are anti-abortion in principle because you oppose the idea of killing babies. But to reduce the number of abortions you support the killing of over 98% more babies than you might save.

You are, by definition, pro-abortion in your actions even though you are anti-abortion in principle because you are willing to support the GOP platform which right now wants to keep abortions up to the 20th week legal in order to gain political capital.

In action (not necessarily principle) you also support giving states the right to decide to kill the unborn.

That is our biggest disagreement on this topic. We are both against the idea of abortion, but I am refusing to support abortion while you actively support it hoping your support now will prevent more deaths at some future date.

In the end, you have the blood of 98.9% of the unborn murdered in the US on your hands and are complaining that I refuse to get my hands bloody.