Terry_Herrington
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Probably not as many as you, your holiness.Originally posted by SpiritualMadMan:
How many hours are you on your knees on behalf of God's Will being done in Our Governement as it is being done in Heaven?
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Probably not as many as you, your holiness.Originally posted by SpiritualMadMan:
How many hours are you on your knees on behalf of God's Will being done in Our Governement as it is being done in Heaven?
So, you are denyinh that God's has power and takes interest in the affairs of men?The Galatian:
Wrong. In America, the Constitution governs, at the consent of the voters. He was put there by voters, and he can be removed for malfeasance.
Then by all means feel free to ignore my posts. It is interesting though that you make yourself a judge of other's behavior with virtually no information whatsoever about the character of the person you are judging. You derive conclusions apparently based on your disagreement with them or else on their writing style.Originally posted by saturneptune:
Scott J,
You are the epitimy of arrogance, every time you post.
First, that is not a valid qualifier. Second, as we have discussed before, I served my country in the Army Reserves as an infantry officer. That was my first choice of MOS... I made it knowing that it could get me killed if we had a war. Third, I don't control history. Had I been needed, I was in uniform and would have gone.What makes your posts on politics and foreign affairs quite sickening is that, as we have discussed before, you never lifted a hand in sacrifice to this country.
You don't know what you are talking about, do you? You have nothing to base my supposed cowardice upon other than your need to denigrate me in an attempt to silence me or downgrade my opinions.People like this folks are a dime a dozen, talk the talk, but dont walk the walk.
I do like Bush. I tend to like people who act on values and convictions rather than expediency. In most respects, he seems to be such a person.Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
Good ole Bush-loving Scott! I wonder how the koolaid from the White House taste like?
No, I'm pointing out that Moon was wrong, and so are those who say that Bush is somehow annointed. The governing authority in this case is the Constitution, which makes citizens the ultimate arbiter of government.So, you are denyinh that God's has power and takes interest in the affairs of men?
No, I'm pointing out that Moon was wrong, and so are those who say that Bush is somehow annointed. The governing authority in this case is the Constitution, which makes citizens the ultimate arbiter of government.Originally posted by The Galatian:
(Attempt to use scripture for political purposes)
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
When Nixon was in Bush's position, the Rev. Myung Son Moon announced the same thing. "God put Nixon in office, and only God can remove him."
Wrong. In America, the Constitution governs, at the consent of the voters. He was put there by voters, and he can be removed for malfeasance.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />So, you are denyinh that God's has power and takes interest in the affairs of men?
No, I'm pointing out that Moon was wrong, and so are those who say that Bush is somehow annointed. The governing authority in this case is the Constitution, which makes citizens the ultimate arbiter of government.Originally posted by poncho:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Galatian:
(Attempt to use scripture for political purposes)
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
When Nixon was in Bush's position, the Rev. Myung Son Moon announced the same thing. "God put Nixon in office, and only God can remove him."
Wrong. In America, the Constitution governs, at the consent of the voters. He was put there by voters, and he can be removed for malfeasance.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />So, you are denyinh that God's has power and takes interest in the affairs of men?
By all means God is meant to be Numero Uno . our Constitution is set up that all may be represented and have a voice whether you are Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Martian. Unless one has thier eyes closed one cannot help but plainly see how corrupt our Government is and we the people have neglected our responsiblity to make certain that our Constituion is not hijacked by Washington politics.Originally posted by SpiritualMadMan:
If the People are Sovreign?
Can God be Sovreign?
No, I don't think so.
For, we are supposed to be "One Nation Under God" first, and in control of our country second...
And, just because some glory hounds get it wrong doesn't mean it isn't right to make God Sovreign First.
SMM
When Nixon was in Bush's position, the Rev. Myung Son Moon announced the same thing. "God put Nixon in office, and only God can remove him."Originally posted by The Galatian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Indeed. But there aren't many people left who still trust him.One must be careful who one makes his heroes...
The surveys I've seen show that there aren't any more atheists in prison than in the general public. Regrettably, there are a lot of believers who stray. </font>[/QUOTE]Just because we use a certain method of elect our president does not mean that we ignore the Bible verse posted above.The State exists to keep order among non-believers...
When Nixon was in Bush's position, the Rev. Myung Son Moon announced the same thing. "God put Nixon in office, and only God can remove him."Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Galatian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Indeed. But there aren't many people left who still trust him.One must be careful who one makes his heroes...
The surveys I've seen show that there aren't any more atheists in prison than in the general public. Regrettably, there are a lot of believers who stray. </font>[/QUOTE]Just because we use a certain method of elect our president does not mean that we ignore the Bible verse posted above.The State exists to keep order among non-believers...
No actually I am not. What I am stating is that because the constitution is framed that we are given freedom to worship it means that our struggle to put God as #1 is not as great as if we lived in another country. God has put us in this country to call on us to spread the gospel without restraints that would be imposed on us if we didn't have the constitution to guarantee our rights. I strongly believe that God has made it possible for us to have such a wonderful rule of law.Originally posted by Phillip:
I think you are putting the constitution above the Bible. We follow God's Word and THEN we follow a political document written by man.
Yes, I agree that it is great that we have a Saviour who is righteous, but if we continue our slippery slope into becoming a country known for its blatant sin, then we are looking at a conflict between politics and The Saviour.
Since all government and leaders are ordained by God, I really do not think that putting th US Constitution above the Bible or vice versa is the point. We are called upon as Christians to obey the law of the land. Now I do not want to imply to understand God's eternal plan, but this country is very unique. We have the best government, the best standard of living, the fairest justice, the highest ideals in the history of mankind despite our depraved state.Originally posted by Phillip:
I think you are putting the constitution above the Bible. We follow God's Word and THEN we follow a political document written by man.
Yes, I agree that it is great that we have a Saviour who is righteous, but if we continue our slippery slope into becoming a country known for its blatant sin, then we are looking at a conflict between politics and The Saviour.
The best of all possible nations, eh?Originally posted by saturneptune:
Since all government and leaders are ordained by God, I really do not think that putting th US Constitution above the Bible or vice versa is the point. We are called upon as Christians to obey the law of the land. Now I do not want to imply to understand God's eternal plan, but this country is very unique. We have the best government, the best standard of living, the fairest justice, the highest ideals in the history of mankind despite our depraved state.
Originally posted by saturneptune:
We have the best government, the best standard of living, the fairest justice, the highest ideals in the history of mankind despite our depraved state.
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I agree with the intent of what you are saying and do not mean to nit pic.
But I would say that we have the ability to have the best government, the ability for having the best standards of living, the ability for the fairest justice and we do have high ideals but we so often fall short of our potential because of our depraved state.