Was it Friday?

[JonC]

That became the major misinterpertation.
And Biblically that is not actually the case.

Since Christ died on the 15th of Nisan, Joseph of Arimathaea, being a devout Jew, had to wait to the end of the holy convocation before he could ask for Jesus' body.

Mark 15:42, . . And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Being the beginning of the 16th.

Luke 23:55-56, . . . And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Matthew 27:62, . . . Now the next daiy, that followed the day of the preparation, . . .

For clarification-

Do you mean
Mark 15:42–43 (When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea came, a prominent member of the Council, who himself was waiting for the kingdom of God; and he gathered up courage and went in before Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus) is wrong or that it was Friday that was wrong?


I'm not sure why Joseph woukd have to wait (as a prominent member, I sincerely doubt he picked up the body himself and I see no prohibitions regarding asking for a body).

 

[JonC]

Exodus 12:18, In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

8 days are listed.
Unleaved bread 7 days.
14 evening and day.
15 evening and day.
16 evening and day.
17 evening and day.
18 evening and day.
19 evening and day.
20 evening and day.
Those are the 7 days ending on
21 at evening.
So the feast itself only has 6 days of the 7 unlevened bread days.
15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20.
Deuteronomy 16:8, Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein.

The 21st,

Why 33 AD?

 

[37818]

Do you mean
Mark 15:42–43 (When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea came, a prominent member of the Council, who himself was waiting for the kingdom of God; and he gathered up courage and went in before Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus) is wrong or that it was Friday that was wrong?

It was Thursday after sunset Jesus body was taken down and received to be placed in the tomb. Jesus body was in the tomb all day Friday. See Luke 23:55-56.

I'm not sure why Joseph woukd have to wait (as a prominent member, I sincerely doubt he picked up the body himself and I see no prohibitions regarding asking for a body).

Exodus 12:16, And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

Receiving the body for burial and burial would be work.

 

[37818]

Why 33 AD?

Luke 3:1, Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar . . .
Interperted to be 29 A.D. . Too late for a 30 A.D. crucifixtion.

Problem, Mark 14:12 would be a Friday.
. . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . .

This being the day before, not the day of the crucifixtion as supposed.

 

[37818]

Why 33 AD?

Gregorian calendar, 33 A.D. April 1, Friday, April fools day.


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3793 Nisan 14th

 

[Alan Gross]

False. Jesus was not crucified during Mark 14:12-16, And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?..."

YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME
BY TELLING ME THAT IT IS:

"False. Jesus was not crucified during Mark 14:12-16..."?

YOU'RE TALKING TO ME?

LIKE I SAID JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED DURING THE LORD'S SUPPER?

AND, WHY ARE YOU TALKING, AT ALL?

IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT KIND OF GARBAGE UP,
THEN YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD
AND WRITE YOUR OWN VERSION OF THE BIBLE,
WHERE "CLEARLY", "JESUS SAID", "THE FACT THAT",
"THE BIBLE EXPLICITLY STATES", "JESUS DIED ON FRIDAY",
"SURE AS TOOTIN'."

YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND
MAKE ANYTHING UP OUT OF THIN AIR
THAT YOU WANT AND, TO YOU, IT IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH.

IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE SOME KIND OF JOKE?
...

This is my fault.

I had to comment by replying to your postings
the way I have 15 or 20 other times,
only to have you come back and tell me that I said:
JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED DURING THE LORD'S SUPPER.

THAT'S ABOUT AS SMART AS
JUST SKIPPING OVER ANY NUMBER OF SCRIPTURES,
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONTRADICTIONS
INVOLVING A CONTRARIETY OF OPINION
TO JESUS DYING ON FRIDAY,
AS IF THEY WERE ALL AN ILLUSION.

SO BE IT.

THIS IS MY FAULT.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE TOLD ME THAT I SAID
THAT THE BEATLES WERE GETTING BACK TOGETHER
TOMORROW AFTERNOON AT ONE O'CLOCK.

Never mind, though, because everything you've ever said
the last 15 or 20 times
that I tried to point out the Bible to you, for the purpose of reading it,
your approach to the whole Crucifixion Week Narrative
HAS ALWAYS BEEN:

TO START with A SUMMARY JUDGEMENT
AND AN IRON GLAD DETERMINATION

THAT JESUS WAS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIFIED ON FRIDAY

AND GOING FROM THERE

AND JUST SKIPPING OVER ANY NUMBER OF SCRIPTURES,
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONTRADICTIONS
INVOLVING A CONTRARIETY OF OPINION
TO JESUS DYING ON FRIDAY,

AS IF THEY WERE ALL AN ILLUSION.

That's it. It's over. Just like that. Before it begins.
And nothing really matters,

except a teaching of men that doesn't say much
about Jesus Christ being Honest,

THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO FORCE JESUS
INTO BEING A LIAR, SAYING:

"JESUS WAS NOT IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH
THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS."

Nevertheless, here are some "SCRIPTURES, COMMENTS,
QUESTIONS, OR CONTRADICTIONS
INVOLVING A CONTRARIETY OF OPINION
TO JESUS DYING ON FRIDAY,
FOR YOU TO SKIP OVER
AS IF THEY WERE ALL AN ILLUSION",

THESE ARE ALL OF THE POSTS YOU SKIPPED:

Post #6;
Was it Friday?

Post #12;
Was it Friday?

Post #13;
Was it Friday?

Post #14;
Was it Friday?

Post #18;
Was it Friday?

However, you don't care
the least little bit and
it doesn't matter to you
one wit, WHATSOEVER.

 

[JonC]

Luke 3:1, Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar . . .
Interperted to be 29 A.D. . Too late for a 30 A.D. crucifixtion.

Problem, Mark 14:12 would be a Friday.
. . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . .

This being the day before, not the day of the crucifixtion as supposed.

But if Luke used the same timekeeping as he did with the priests ( Annas and Caiaphas) it could be 30AD. And we also have to keep in mind that Luke may well have regarded the first “year of Tiberius,” so far as Judea was concerned, as beginning in AD 13.

Jewish history was typically recorded in relation to Judea, not the world (it wouldn't meet Western journalistic standards).

Since 30 AD and 33 AD are both possible, I'd see which one lines up best with Scripture.

 

[37818]

But if Luke used the same timekeeping as he did with the priests ( Annas and Caiaphas) it could be 30AD. And we also have to keep in mind that Luke may well have regarded the first “year of Tiberius,” so far as Judea was concerned, as beginning in AD 13.

Jewish history was typically recorded in relation to Judea, not the world (it wouldn't meet Western journalistic standards).

Since 30 AD and 33 AD are both possible, I'd see which one lines up best with Scripture.

In 33 A.D. the 14th of Nisan to be Friday. So Mark 14:12-16 would be Friday? But Christ was not crucified on the 7th day Sabbath. But two days before per Mark 15:42, . . . when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath . . .
The evening of that Preparation Day is always Thursday before the Friday. Jewish.

 

[JonC]

In 33 A.D. the 14th of Nisan to be Friday. So Mark 14:12-16 would be Friday? But Christ was not crucified on the 7th day Sabbath. But two days before per Mark 15:42, . . . when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath . . .
The evening of that Preparation Day is always Thursday before the Friday. Jewish.

Yes, both 30 AD and 33 AD provide for a Friday crucifixion.

But that said, we are talking about using a calender that has undergone many changes to determine a percise date.

In the OT the calender was set according to the phases of the moon (Deut. 16). Then you have the Talmudic period. where astrological calculations rather than lunar phases were relied upon. And in post-Talmudic times this changed to calculation. Nisan, Siwan, Ab, Tishri, Kislew, and Shebat had 30 days while Iyyar, Tammuz, Elul, Heshwan, Tebet, and Adar had 29 (in a leap year Adar had 30 and We-Adar 29).

 

[37818]

But that said, we are talking about using a calender that has undergone many changes to determine a percise date.

Read about the Jewish Calendar here: Calendar Converter
The Biblical texts stand.
Such as Exodus 12:18 and Mark 14:12 etc. Deuteronomy 16:8 per Exodus 12:18.

Historically there can only be one true date.

So that date, I am persuaded, that date of the crucifixion to be Julian date April 6, 30 A.D.

The three fold evidence of the resurrection of Christ

 

[JonC]

Read about the Jewish Calendar here: Calendar Converter
The Biblical texts stand.
Such as Exodus 12:18 and Mark 14:12 etc. Deuteronomy 16:8 per Exodus 12:18.

Historically there can only be one true date.

So that date, I am persuaded, that date of the crucifixion to be Julian date April 6, 30 A.D.

The three fold evidence of the resurrection of Christ

We know that the word Pesach (Passover) refers to the Passover and to the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Exodus 12:6–7: You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight. ‘Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.

Numbers 28:16–25 Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the Lord’s Passover. ‘On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. ‘On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work . . . After this manner you shall present daily, for seven days, the food of the offering by fire, of a soothing aroma to the Lord; it shall be presented with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering. ‘On the seventh day you shall have a holy

Matthew tells us that the "Last Supper" was on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
This would be the day after the Passover (Seder) meal.

John writes that Jesus was crucified and died the evening before a Sabbath. John also tells us that the Sabbath after Christ died was a "high day" (a day the Sabbath coincided with a religious feast or observance).

Mark writes: When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath.

As far as burial, we know Jesus would have been buried the day He died (Deut 14).

Preperation Day was the day prior to the Sabbath OR holy day.

As far as days, we know that the Jewish day does not start at the evening, or even at sunset. It starts when the sun has gone down ... the end of evening (it follows the Creation account....day beginning with light). The last hour (6th hour) was 6pm to sundown.

 

[JonC]

Here is the timeliness I'm leaning towards:

2 days before the passover the priests conspire. They want to avoid killing Jesus during the festival (15 to 21 Nisan).

Jesus observes Passover with the Disciples on 14 Nisan (Thursday night), goes to the Garden, is arrested.

Early in the morning (Friday) the counsel meets, Pilot presents Jesus to the people at 1200 pm on Friday and Jesus is crucified. Jesus dies around 3 pm.

John tells us it is Preperation Day for the Sabbath, and that Sabbath was a high day (corresponding with 15 Nisan, which is another Sabbath and the beginning of the festival).

Joseph receives tge body and Jesus is quickly laid in a nearby town (because it was Oreperatiin Day and the tomb was nearby).

The women gather spices to prepare the body on Sunday (they did no work on the Sabbath). On Sunday the women return to the tomb to anoint the body, however He has risen.

There are two dates - 14 Nisan 30 and 33, where the Passover falls on a Friday.

There are two "Sabbaths" (not necessarily Saturday) during the festival - Nisan 15 and 21 - which would make the Sabbath a "high day".

 

[37818]

Jesus observes Passover with the Disciples on 14 Nisan (Thursday night), goes to the Garden, is arrested.

That denies ". . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . . ", per Mark 14:12, being the 14th of Nisan being that day before. Mark 14:17 being the 15th Nisan following, . . .

 

[37818]

There are two dates - 14 Nisan 30 and 33, where the Passover falls on a Friday.

30 A.D. is on a Wednesday.
Calendar Converter

 

[37818]

We know that the word Pesach (Passover) refers to the Passover and to the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Exodus 12:6–7: You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight. ‘Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.

Numbers 28:16–25 Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the Lord’s Passover. ‘On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. ‘On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work . . . After this manner you shall present daily, for seven days, the food of the offering by fire, of a soothing aroma to the Lord; it shall be presented with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering. ‘On the seventh day you shall have a holy

Matthew tells us that the "Last Supper" was on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
This would be the day after the Passover (Seder) meal.

John writes that Jesus was crucified and died the evening before a Sabbath. John also tells us that the Sabbath after Christ died was a "high day" (a day the Sabbath coincided with a religious feast or observance).

Mark writes: When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath.

As far as burial, we know Jesus would have been buried the day He died (Deut 14).

Preperation Day was the day prior to the Sabbath OR holy day.

As far as days, we know that the Jewish day does not start at the evening, or even at sunset. It starts when the sun has gone down ... the end of evening (it follows the Creation account....day beginning with light). The last hour (6th hour) was 6pm to sundown.

Exodus 12:18 identifies the days.
Evening and day, 14th
to the evening of the 21st the 7 days of unleavened bread. 14th day through day of the 20th. 7 days.
The 15th to the 20th are 6 days. Deuteronomy 16:8.

Both in Leviticus 23:6 and Numbers 28:17 repeats unleavened bread is to be eaten 7 days, but doesn't require 8. The 7 days start on the 14th per Exodus 12:18.

Post Temple Judaism has 8 days of unleavened bread, the 15th to the 22ed.

 

[percho]

Was Jesus, "the Lords passover," sacrificed on the fourteenth day of the first month, between the two evenings?

Did that sacrifice take place when Jesus said, "Father unto thy hands I commit the spirit of me"?

Best guess, as to time of day, that took place?

Jonah 2:1,2 Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish’s belly.
And he said:

“I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me.

“Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice.

By inspiration of the Holy Spirit was the belly of the fish construed to be as Sheol? Yes or No?

What is the Greek for Sheol ? LXX ᾅδου

By inspiration of the Holy Spirit, was Christ construed to be in, "ᾅδου,"? Yes or No?
Acts 2:27 2:27 ὅτι οὐκ ἐγκαταλείψεις τὴν ψυχήν μου εἰς ᾅδου, οὐδὲ δώσεις τὸν ὅσιόν σου ἰδεῖν διαφθοράν
Acts 2:31 προϊδὼν ἐλάλησεν περὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως τοῦ Χριστοῦ ὅτι οὐ κατελείφθη ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ εἰς ᾅδου, οὔδε ἡ σὰρξ αὐτοῦ εἶδεν διαφθοράν

When exactly would one consider that the soul of Christ entered and or was in, "ᾅδου"? For how long?
As the belly of the fish was construed as Sheol was not the heart of the earth construed ᾅδου?

A sign?

Pray tell me how entering Sheol/ᾅδου in late afternoon of a Friday or even Thursday for three days and three nights aligns with scripture.

 

[JonC]

That denies ". . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . . ", per Mark 14:12, being the 14th of Nisan being that day before. Mark 14:17 being the 15th Nisan following, . . .

No, it doesn't.

The 14th of Nisan started on Thursday evening. The "first Day of Unleavened Bread" can refer to the Passover or the first day of the Festival (which was a Sabbath). Likewise, "Passover" could refer to one day or include the festival.

But we know it was Passover because it was the "Passover lamb" being sacrificed.

That woukd be Thursday night. Jesus would die Friday around 3pm.

We know this also because John tells us His body was taken to a nearby tomb because the next day was a high day Sabbath (essentially this would be an observance of two Sabbaths).

You are creating a problem where no problem exists.

 

[JonC]

30 A.D. is on a Wednesday.
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No. Friday 7 April 30 AD was 14 Nisan 30 AD..

 

[37818]

The 14th of Nisan started on Thursday evening.

In 33 A.D..

In 30 A.D. Tuesday evening.

The Preparation Day before the 7th day Sabbath always began Thursday evening.

 

[JonC]

Exodus 12:18 identifies the days.
Evening and day, 14th
to the evening of the 21st the 7 days of unleavened bread. 14th day through day of the 20th. 7 days.
The 15th to the 20th are 6 days. Deuteronomy 16:8.

Both in Leviticus 23:6 and Numbers 28:17 repeats unleavened bread is to be eaten 7 days, but doesn't require 8. The 7 days start on the 14th per Exodus 12:18.

Post Temple Judaism has 8 days of unleavened bread, the 15th to the 22ed.

It does. And some Jews have complained that this was blended. But it does not change the fact it was.

The Passover lamb was killed on 14 Nisan, on Passover. Mark, like many Jews, referred to 14 Nisan to 21 Nisan as the time of Unleavened bread.

The fact that the Passover Lamb is sacrificed on this "first day" let's us know Mark was referring to Passover.