Mary had blood, and thus Jesus had blood.
If Jesus had no blood, then Mary had no blood.
Jesus was fully man and fully God.
You are denying the humanity of Christ which is heresy.
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Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?
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If Jesus had no blood, then Mary had no blood.
Jesus was fully man and fully God.
You are denying the humanity of Christ which is heresy.
savedbymercy
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Sorry friend, I teach that Jesus Christ is 100 % Man and 100 % God, and that He did take on Flesh and Blood, and that He was Human by every sense of the word, however, He was not a Jew by bloodline !
He was not born of a natural father of a jew, and mary did not give him blood, He generated His own Blood, a God Man Blood, not jewish blood !
Acts 20:28
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
It was the Blood of God, Got it ! God is not a ethnic Jew !
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You have made an extremely liberal interpretation of Acts 20:28. He could not have shed anyone elses blood. It had to be his and this verse does not mean he generated his own blood as you infer.
Whose blood could he have shed if not his own that circulated within his body?
savedbymercy
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Thats your opinion, however Acts 20:28 is very direct in pointing out whose Blood was shed, for it is Blood that redeems from all inquity and unto God Rev 5:9
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
It has nothing to do with ethnicity, mary had nothing to do with Christ's Blood. It was not jewish bloodline blood, It was simply the Blood of God Man !
Thats your opinion, however Acts 20:28 is very direct in pointing out whose Blood was shed, for it is Blood that redeems from all inquity and unto God Rev 5:9
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
It has nothing to do with ethnicity, mary had nothing to do with Christ's Blood. It was not jewish bloodline blood, It was simply the Blood of God Man !
Are you a spiritual Jew? Did your blood change to another kind of blood when you became a spiritual Jew? Where do spiritual Jews get their blood from? Does God give them a transfusion when they become a spiritual Jew???
Are you saying that Jesus had to be born again or do you become a spiritual Jew some other way?
Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
What part of Jesus was "made of a woman"??
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Who are those called "his own" and how are they "his own"? are "his own" spiritual Jews here? If so, why didn't they receive him?
Ro 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Are these spiritual Jews "of whom" he came concerning the flesh? If so, then how do they beget him spiritually?
Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
If he were only a "spiritual Jew" then how was he "made of the seed of David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH"????
Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
How were these "children....partakers of flesh and blood"? Was their flesh and blood derived from being born again or did they receive it from human sources??? He says "AS" they partook so "took part of THE SAME"?????
savedbymercy
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This thread has nothing to do with me. This Thread is dispelling the man made doctrine that Jesus was a Bloodline Jew, and He was not. No scripture teaches that.
He had no bloodline jewish father, and mary's blood had nothing to do with His. He received properties from His Divine Nature which causes His Blood to be redemptive, to redeem the Elect to God, not just jewish people, but people from all over the whole world !
Its the blood of God ! Acts 20:28
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
The God Man !
This thread has nothing to do with me. This Thread is dispelling the man made doctrine that Jesus was a Bloodline Jew, and He was not. No scripture teaches that.
He had no bloodline jewish father, and mary's blood had nothing to do with His. He received properties from His Divine Nature which causes His Blood to be redemptive, to redeem the Elect to God, not just jewish people, but people from all over the whole world !
Its the blood of God ! Acts 20:28
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
The God Man !
savedbymercy
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bib
The Elect Line of Jews, People of Faith. There was always in that wicked nation a spiritual remnant according to the election of grace !
The Fathers would be Abraham, Isaac and jacob, David, all born again people of faith. All believers in Christ are their Children Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
The Elect Line of Jews, People of Faith. There was always in that wicked nation a spiritual remnant according to the election of grace !
The Fathers would be Abraham, Isaac and jacob, David, all born again people of faith. All believers in Christ are their Children Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
This is just one more example of your inept ability to use and apply scripture correctly or even reasonably. You are in dire need of some assistance in the use of scripture and the appropriate use of context.
You are now being deceptive! Even in you last post on Romans 9:5 you use the spiritual jew rationale to escape that it says he was "of whom" concerning THE FLESH! You attempt to make "whom" spiritual jews to escape the implication he was derived from them PHSYICALLY through PHYISCAL birth.
Therefore, how did SPIRITUAL Jews ("of whom") act as the source or derivation for Jesus "CONCERNING THE FLESH"?????? Is Jesus "OF[Gr. ek - source] WHOM" CONCERNING THE FLESH??? How can Jesus be "of whom" regarded only as SPIRITUAL JEWS "concerning the flesh"? Do Spriitual Jews reproduce after "THE FLESH"???
You claim to be a "SPIRITUAL" Jew how can someone else be "of you" concerning the flesh as Jesus was "OF WHOM concerning the flesh"?????
savedbymercy
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No, but for man to become a Spiritual Jew as Jesus was, man must be born again. When one is born again, they are born out of His Seed 1 Pet 1:23
23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Thats a True Jew that Jesus represents Rom 2:28-29. Its a spiritual circumcision that constitutes a Jew in God's Eyes, what Man better exemplified that than the Man Christ Jesus.
Jesus said Ps 40:8
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
The scripture says of the True Jew Ps 37:31
The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
No, but for man to become a Spiritual Jew as Jesus was, man must be born again. When one is born again, they are born out of His Seed 1 Pet 1:23
23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Thats a True Jew that Jesus represents Rom 2:28-29. Its a spiritual circumcision that constitutes a Jew in God's Eyes, what Man better exemplified that than the Man Christ Jesus.
Jesus said Ps 40:8
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
The scripture says of the True Jew Ps 37:31
The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
you have not dealt with all the evidence above.
savedbymercy
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I have dealt with one of them, and I am not in any hurry to deal with the others, not one of them say anything about Christ having jewish blood from mary in the first place, so you have not disproved anything I have stated thus far.
you are very dishonest. All of them demand he originated with the PHYSICAL Jewish stock ACCORDING TO THE FLESH. It is impossible for you to make him originate with SPIRITUAL stock because all these texts deal with ACCORDING TO THE FLESH and with those who did not receive them but they were his "OWN" according to the flesh.
You are teaching Antichrist heresy!
You have not dealt honestly with Scripture.
Here is what Scripture says:
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
He partook of flesh and blood, meaning he was flesh and blood. That flesh and blood came from Mary. His humanity came from Mary. You deny the humanity of Christ.
God is spirit; they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.
Christ did not obtain blood from God the Holy Spirit, neither from God the Father. Spirits do not have blood. That is why he was born of a virgin. It was redemptive in that he was without sin; without a sin nature.
He was just; dying for the unjust. He was God, and being perfect man and perfect God he could die for our sins. That is what made it redemptive.
You deny the humanity of Christ and that is heresy.
Hold onto your hats, folks, but I agree 100% with DHK and the Biblicist here.
God chose the Jewish peoples, ethnic not the "spiritual' jews, to have the messiah come thru their line and be born!
He was and is to be the messiah to the jewish peoples, those of the flesh, as well as unto the gentiles...
strange that God preserved the physical jews, prophecied that messiah come to their linage and of the House of david, and yet really meant was a non jewish yet spiritual jew!
savedbymercy
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Concerning Jn 1:11
bib posted
Jn 1:11
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
This verse, nor none of the others that the opponent has quoted says anything about Jesus being of the bloodline of the jews. When I say blood line, I mean that He was a physical jew by blood. However He did have blood, the blood of the God Man, and His Blood did not receive any properties from mary's blood, for His Blood received properties from His Deity.
Now this verse Jn 1:11 perhaps more than any seems to oppose what I am stating, but it does not. Who does it mean that He came to His own and His own received Him not ?
It is talking about the Nation of Israel, God's Covenant People under the Mosaic Covenant. For you see, Jesus was and is God Jn 1:1 and in His Divine Nature, Jesus was the God of Israel.
Ex 24:9-11
9Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
National Israel according to the Old Covenant, and Nationally were God's own People, and they were of Christ's own People.
But His Death changed the relationship God had with the Nation as a Covenant People, they are no longer so Matt 21:33-46,43
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
So, Yes, Jesus as the God Man, the God of Israel, the God of a Elect people, did come to His Own, and they , for the most, they received Him not except for them which had been born of God Jn 1:12-13 and it is declared of them
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
What does it mean "born not of Blood "
John Gill writes on this verse:
Folks there is absolutely nothing in Jn 1:11 that states or even suggests that Jesus Christ was born of the blood of the jew. If anything, it is against the whole ideal completely. Even those who received Him , it had nothing to do with them being born of a jewish ancestry, that meant nothing, they were born again, born of God, as all Jews according to God's Definition are Born Rom 2:28-29
bib posted
Jn 1:11
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
This verse, nor none of the others that the opponent has quoted says anything about Jesus being of the bloodline of the jews. When I say blood line, I mean that He was a physical jew by blood. However He did have blood, the blood of the God Man, and His Blood did not receive any properties from mary's blood, for His Blood received properties from His Deity.
Now this verse Jn 1:11 perhaps more than any seems to oppose what I am stating, but it does not. Who does it mean that He came to His own and His own received Him not ?
It is talking about the Nation of Israel, God's Covenant People under the Mosaic Covenant. For you see, Jesus was and is God Jn 1:1 and in His Divine Nature, Jesus was the God of Israel.
Ex 24:9-11
9Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
National Israel according to the Old Covenant, and Nationally were God's own People, and they were of Christ's own People.
But His Death changed the relationship God had with the Nation as a Covenant People, they are no longer so Matt 21:33-46,43
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
So, Yes, Jesus as the God Man, the God of Israel, the God of a Elect people, did come to His Own, and they , for the most, they received Him not except for them which had been born of God Jn 1:12-13 and it is declared of them
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
What does it mean "born not of Blood "
John Gill writes on this verse:
Folks there is absolutely nothing in Jn 1:11 that states or even suggests that Jesus Christ was born of the blood of the jew. If anything, it is against the whole ideal completely. Even those who received Him , it had nothing to do with them being born of a jewish ancestry, that meant nothing, they were born again, born of God, as all Jews according to God's Definition are Born Rom 2:28-29
savedbymercy
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Thats a Lie, God chose the Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual Jews, The Church [Rev 12] to come through, for it was only to them , the promises pertained Rom 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
The Promises are based on God's Covenant with Abraham before he was circumcised, and had nothing to do with the Covenant made 430 yrs later with the Physical Nation of Israel, which was a conditional Covenant, Paul clears that up Here Gal 3:15-18
15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The Covenant Promises to Abraham and His seed vs 16, had absolutely nothing to do with the jews as a ethnic physical people, in fact, considered as merely an ethnic jew, a physical descendant of Abraham, they are not the Children of God Rom 9:8
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
People here are defending Abraham's children of the flesh, and constituting Jesus as one of them, and they are not even the Children of God, Thats preposterous !
Thats a Lie, God chose the Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual Jews, The Church [Rev 12] to come through, for it was only to them , the promises pertained Rom 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
The Promises are based on God's Covenant with Abraham before he was circumcised, and had nothing to do with the Covenant made 430 yrs later with the Physical Nation of Israel, which was a conditional Covenant, Paul clears that up Here Gal 3:15-18
15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The Covenant Promises to Abraham and His seed vs 16, had absolutely nothing to do with the jews as a ethnic physical people, in fact, considered as merely an ethnic jew, a physical descendant of Abraham, they are not the Children of God Rom 9:8
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
People here are defending Abraham's children of the flesh, and constituting Jesus as one of them, and they are not even the Children of God, Thats preposterous !
The point of Spiritual jews was that Paul was staing that ONLY those who had received jesus and were saved by grace of God in Christ were REALLY children of the promise, and were truely "spiritual Isreal " as not all in Isreal were seeds of Abraham!
Referring to Jews becoming "true jews" by receiving jesus as messiah, NOTHING to do with gentiles become "spiritual jews!"
John 1:13 has no contextual reference to Jesus Christ but to those directly referred to in John 1:12 who are in direct contrast to "HIS OWN" which did not receive him in John 1:11
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John 1:11 and Romans 9:5; heb. 2:14 all pertain to Jews AFTER "THE FLESH" not to Jews AFTER the "spirit" or "spiritual" Jews. Spiritual Jews are not derived from "flesh and blood" but from the Spirit of God! These texts refer to Christ being derived from "flesh and blood" and "according to the flesh."
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