Originally posted by mman:
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Jesus said in Mark 16:15-16, "And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Notice, it was one gospel. Notice it was to be preached to the whole world (would include Gentiles). Notice, the person who believes and is baptized shall be saved. Notice, those who do not believe will be condemned.
But you ignore Christ has not spoken to Paul from heaven. You are basing your information on yesterday’s newspaper (gospel). Damascus Road is a few years down the road. I believe scripture and it says God had hidden in His mysteries, something else to be told.
This began on the day of Pentecost. It is the gospel of Christ, not John the Baptist. Where did that come from??? Not from scripture.
I believe all scripture, and we must be able to correct divide His Word.
[/b]Agree that gospel of John the Baptist of “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins” began on the day of Pentecostal, and that is the Pentecostal message. It is not the “Christian” gospel of the “Body of Christ”.
Here is the Pentecostal (today Catholic – and her children churches )“great commission” gospel of John the Baptist, Jesus, and the earthly Apostles. But some of the children churches don’t really believe what they say, for they contradict themselves, believing they are really saved by Grace after all.
Acts 2:36-39. ”Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Notice that Peter is speaking only to the “house of Israel”. There was no Gentile around, and if they were, it did not apply to them, at this time, for Israel had not accepted their King.
Now let's look at the “grace commission” gospel of Paul, given to him by Christ Jesus in heaven. Acts 16:28-31, ”But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here. 29. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
Are these the same gospels? There were two gospels during the time of all of the Apostles; One gospel for only the house of Israel, and one gospel of God reconciling the world unto himself.
Please also notice one other differentiation, for Peter’s gospel is to we of the house of Israel, and Paul’s gospel is to I the individual and his house. We today, even the Jew are not of the house of Israel. God says He knows those that claim to be of the Jewish faith, and are not. I don’t want to be in their shoes.
Matthew records in Matt 28:18-20, "And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen"
They were to go to all nations (this would include Gentiles) and teach the same thing (teach, baptize, teach) to everyone who then were taught to go and teach what they had been taught (to go teach, baptize, and teach). These instructions began to be carried out on the day of Pentecost, in Acts 2.
In Acts 1:8, Jesus said, "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." (to the end of the earth would include Gentiles).
But we are to realize this did not happen. The Apostles never got out of Jerusalem within the time frame given. Jesus gave the nation Israel a parable saying what could happen if they did not accept Messiah, and it happened. At the stoning of Steven, Israel was cut-off. They will have to be grafted in again, and that will be in the tribulation.
Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
This promise was for the Jews and Gentiles.
It was, but that gospel never got spread to all, to the Jew first, and then to the Gentle. It was never preached to the heathen. And since it wasn’t, it was superceded by the “gospel of the Grace of God that came through Jesus Christ”, reconciling the world unto himself.
Paul makes it plain that the law was what seperated the Jews and the Gentiles.
Eph 2:14-18 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
You are now running all of this together, i.e. the Old to the New. But the Old Covenant has been laid aside for now. You are bringing works of the Jew over into Christianity. This what the Catholics teach. You are denying Paul’s personal conversation with Christ from heaven, appointed Paul the Apostles to the Gentile, and to the Jew. It is now the Gentile that proclaims the Cross of salvation. Acts 2:38 did not do this. This verse is for the kingdom people, the nation of Israel that is looking for their King. There is no King now, and will not be until the King of the Jews reigns on this earth.
Who knew this before Paul? Did Jesus say this on earth, or any of the His Apostles before Paul? You cannot find where Jesus while on this earth said any such thing, nor Peter, nor John, or anyone else until Christ from heaven revealed it to Paul. This (Paul’s gospel) is the first time you hear about the Body of Christ, and the Gentiles being in the Temple.
Forget Paul’s gospel, and what do you have? The “great commission” that never reached outside of Judah, and Israel before being cut-off, Messiah exiled to heaven, and the Gentile with no way to be with their Savior Jesus Christ forever. We must have to believe Christ spoke to Paul on Damascus Road, face to face, and thereafter, in order for the Gentile to be included, and a way for the Jew to be grafted back in.
The middle law was put to death, no longer valid, upon the death of Jesus on the Cross. No longer two different ways, but the SAME way to Christ.
Eph 3:3-6 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
But you ignore it is now that this became known, and not when Christ was on earth. Now salvation is by the Grace of God, through faith of Jesus Christ that we are saved, and not that of “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins”.
Is this the way you were saved, just like the Pentecostal faith, carried on today by the Catholic church, and most of her children? You are saying what? You are saved by the same gospel as the Catholic church of “repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins”. I’ve never heard of a Baptist really believing this, even though they may feel close to it as most Baptist’s believe in the “great commission”, but then denounce it. Confusion reigns amongst us.
It had been revealed also the the other apostles and prophets how God would make the Gentiles fellow heirs by the same gospel.
But not until Paul is it revealed, and that revelation was explained to the other Apostles and prophets of that time by Paul personally, or by letter. How could David or John the Baptist be saved like you and I? David could not because he did not know by whose name he was to believe on, and Jesus had not come to the Cross to shed His blood. John the Baptist knew Jesus’ name, but Jesus had not come to the Cross to shed His blood. These are those people of God promised the earth, in the kingdom of God, and these are those people that will be in the kingdom of Christ. We are not all promised the same thing, and we were not all offered the same thing from the beginning.
Paul then goes on to say in Eph 4:5, "one Lord, one faith, one baptism;" Not two faiths, one for the Jew and one for the Gentiles, not 2 baptisms one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. Jesus had taken away what separated them when he died on the cross.
Your dispensation is showing. What you just wrote now agrees with what Paul says. The law and ordinances are no more. The Temple is now gone; the circumcision, blood sacrifices, Holy Days, feast, and all of it. Until the Temple was destroyed, Israel worshipped as before, as did the Pentecostal church under the leadership of James.
Paul also said in Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. 21And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight-- 23if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
THE gospel was preached to every creature under heaven (Jews and Gentiles). The same gospel. Not two different ways for the Jews and Gentiles to be saved. Jews and Gentiles were reconciled by the blood of His Cross since the law that separated them was removed.
But don’t you see whose gospel was preached to every creature? It is the gospel of Paul, and it is the gospel of the Cross of Grace through faith through Jesus Christ, not of works of circumcision, baptisms, laying on of hands as pointed out to those of the kingdom gospel in Hebrews 6. We see there they had to endure until the end, just like all the Old Testaments Saints had to do. The gospel to the kingdom people is not the gospel of the Christian of Once Saved Always Saved, by Grace through faith.
Col 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Again, the law was taken out of the way at the cross, it was nailed to the cross. Baptism is described as a burial and being raised. Baptism is done through faith, whether Jew or Gentile.
Yes, the One spiritual baptism. The law of ordinances, which includes “water baptism” was nailed to the Cross, but the Pentecostal church did not preach the salvation of the Cross, for they still had to obey the commands in the “great commission”. This is not the Christian message.
Or as Paul told the Galatians, "22But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Notice verse 26, that we might be justified by faith. Verse 27, For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Who are the "we" and the "many" who entered into Chirst? Vs 28, Jews, Greeks, slaves, free, males, females - I think that covers all mankind.
Sure sounds like Paul’s gospel to me. And Paul is trying to get across to the Jew, and to you the Jew was promised by faith, but before it came we the Jew (Paul was a Jew) were under the law, the tutor to bring the Jew to Messiah byfaith–your verses 22-24.
You want to see what God could not tell before? Here it is, in the next verse. That Old Covenant with His people is being set aside now, as Israel has been cut-off. It is dying and God is now going to reconcile the world unto himself, of whosoever will.
In verse 25 Paul explains they (Jews that were under the curse of the law) now are sons of God through faith. These are Christian Jews Paul is talking to, and not that other gospel of the circumcision that preached you must “repent and be baptized for the remission of sin”. The Christian church was headquartered in Antioch. The gospel of the circumcision was based in Jerusalem. This Pentecostal church is where the Judaizers came from, telling the Christians they had to be circucised to be saved.
This ties back to Acts 2:38-39 and also compliments Eph 2:8-9.
Hey man, literary honesty.