His Blood Spoke My Name said:
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1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath <lambano> no <ou> temptation <peirasmos> taken <lambano> you <humas> but <ei me> such as is common to man <anthropinos>: but <de> God <theos> is faithful <pistos>, who <hos> will <eao> not <ou> suffer <eao> you <humas> to be tempted <peirazo> above <huper> that <hos> ye are able <dunamai>; but <alla> will <poieo> with <sun> the temptation <peirasmos> also <kai> make <poieo> a way to escape <ekbasis>, that ye <humas> may be able <dunamai> to bear <hupophero> it.
If God allows so much on a Christian that that Christian commits suicide, then this verse is a lie. For He promised He would not allow more than we are able to bear.
Where is the faith in Christ?
Again, "faith" is misapplied to some situation besides the original meaning of salvation. Then, if he doesn't have this "other" faith he can't have faith that he is saved! I should be like the Campbellists, who use Eph.4:5 "one baptism" to prove their argument. The verse also says "
one faith"! Not faith in Christ as savior,
plus as protector from "too much pain".
(Again people quote Psalms 34:19,20 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivers him out of them all.
He keeps all his bones: not one of them is broken". But
is this promising a Christian shall never have bones broken? No. So you all are reading these verses wrong, and giving people false "promises" to have "faith" in. A person is not lost for rejecting a false promise based on a misreading of scripture! You all are pulling verses out just like Satan did to Jesus, (with, significantly enough, a similar prophetic "promise"!)
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1 Cor.10:13, and James 1:2,3. "There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who
will not suffer you to be tempted above that all of you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that all of you may be able to bear it".
"count it all joy when all of you fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith works patience". From these two passages, it is for all purposes taught that the suffering person's pain is good for them! The way the teaching goes; is that if God is allowing this painful circumstance, He knows it is good for what He wants to make you into (His plan for your future, or just "molding you to the image of His Son"), and you can handle it. Then we get endless analogies. In such "sculpting"; "rough edges have to be knocked/chiseled off, so there must be pain". It is even taught that when you ask God for patience, He responds by "sending" hardships which supposedly "develop patience in you" —if you respond the right way!
The problem in these passages is that "Trials" and "temptations" are read as "painful circumstances". But the word translated "temptation" (peirazo/peirasmos) means just that:
temptation. Even "try/trial" (dokimos) used here conveys a similar meaning. (other words; such as purosis, "fiery trial", or thilipsis, "pressure/trouble" address painful situations, but these are not used here! Strong's does say that peirasmos "by impl." means "adversity"; but this is from a projection of the common misunderstanding of the word; and not its actual definition based on how it is used in the text!) If the common interpretation of this being God "sending tests" were right, then the Bible blatantly contradicts itself; because James then says "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am
tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil,
neither tempts he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed". This is the same word used in Cor. and we see that it means what we commonly understand as "temptation to sin"; not a painful situation. Yet how many times do we see Christian teachers, counselors and books tell a suffering person "God brought this hardship into your life to test you. You can bear it no matter what it is, because He said you could, and He did it for your good". "Accept it from the hand of the Lord". If he rejects it; complains too much, etc, then he is "despising the chastening of the Lord"*. If that is what "test" (tempt) means, then
they are the ones contradicting scripture and accusing God, not the sufferer who says the situation is too much for him to bear!
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Now in the case of a suicide,
the "temptation" is not the pain that is causing to consider suicide, but the whole idea of suicide in the first place. Now, this temptation in itself is not too much to bear, as the scripture says, but still we all yield to temptation, none of which were "too much", yet we don't then have salvation declared null and void. The only difference with the suicide, again, is it's irreversibility.
