nope, as Baptists view the scriptures as our ONLY inspired source for all doctrines and practices!
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Western vs. Eastern Soteriology
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Its a wonder anything Jesus says has to do with salvation itself. The best thing for your cause apparently is to shut Jesus up as much as possible.
Mark 16
16“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved;
John 6
51“I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
Luke 10
25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”
People who actually trust Jesus can live just fine going with what he actually says. Instead your theology is based on undermining everything Jesus says. You literally got a problem with everything Jesus says.
We are warned in the scriptures of ANTICHRISTS who will try to derail the most important message of the Gospel.
Abide in The Teaching of Christ, Love one another.
2 John 1
1The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth, 2for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever: 3Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
4I was very glad to find some of your children walking in truth, just as we have received commandment to do from the Father. 5Now I ask you, lady, not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. 9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
12Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.
13The children of your chosen sister greet you.
There us Pauline Justification, or else Roman salvation, and I choose the way of Paul!
Utilyan, you want the exact words. I told you it's not found. Then you asked for the concept in scripture. Now you deny scripture. That's your choice. We can observe scripture. We see God speaking and creation happens. We see that God's word is a lamp to our feet. We see that in the beginning is the word. We see that all scripture is given by inspiration of God. We see Peter calling Paul's writing... scripture.
Your denial is not my problem.
Ironically, the Roman Catholic Church apparently does not actually believe the bread is Christ's body and the wine is Christ's blood. If they did, they wouldn't have suspended communion due to the Carona Virus. How could Jesus body and blood be tainted by Covid19? Talk about lack of faith in church teachings. [emoji2958][emoji44]
Does Mark 16:16 say "water baptism?" What do we observe?
“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved;
Does the Holy Spirit baptize us into Christ? What does the Bible say?
Acts 11:15-17 As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?”
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
He needs to read Psalm 119!
If water baptism was all important to save us, why would Paul say what he did in 1 Corinthians 1:14?
I choose the way of Jesus Christ.
No I even said implicitly that means not having to spell it out exactly.
Your jumping the gun and accusing me of not being genuine.and shoving words in my mouth.
I asked for bible verses that actually TEACH the TEACHING. And then you throw a fit.
Only now you are saying its NOT FOUND "I told you it's not found."
Your stance your #1 RULE is if IT NOT BIBLICAL then ITS NOT CHRISTIAN.
A wise person here said:
" I don't care. Let's look at scripture verse by verse and see what God says. On 95% of it we should agree regardless of denomination.
Where the problem lies is that humans cling to their denominational traditions regardless if the tradition has and biblical merit."
Well I asking where is RULE#1 taught. You are telling us it is NOT TAUGHT.
ERGO your rule is NOT CHRISTIAN. And I want you to choke on that truth. Because you are the biggest hypocrite here.
Jesus spoke his word to Paul. What Paul wrote is what Jesus teaches.
I provide verses for you to observe. If you cannot observe God's word being authoritative, I cannot help you.
Then you would become a Baptist!
You can correct everyone with scripture that is not a problem. Including correcting folks who think scripture is the highest authority.
God is the highest authority. I'm sure everyone can agree with that, lets start there.
Scripture is highest authority for us to heed here on earth.....
You guys can have me. That's not a problem at all. I can cite the scriptures alone to get my point across without any over the shoulder philosophy or man made tradition. You can't build a tulip with scripture alone.
God never left.
Matthew 28
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
All that Calvinism would need are the scriptures themselves, unlike Theology of Rome, that needs the Apocrypha and traditions also!
He speaks to us thru His scriptures!
I double dog dare anyone to use scripture alone. There is no way your teachings will survive unless someone over your shoulder corrupts it for you.
James 2
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
1 Corinthians 13
2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
1 Timothy 2
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Luke 10
25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”
1 john 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
16We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
James 2
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
1 Corinthians 13
2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
1 Timothy 2
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Luke 10
25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”
1 john 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
16We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
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