Are you disagreeing that we are Christians because we are born anew, rather than what we or others profess to be.
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What are the minimum theological beliefs to be called Christian?
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Say a person would flunk a Systematic Theology test.
Their understanding of the Trinity is flawed
They do not know the difference in reference between Son of God and Son of Man
They do not know they were made sinners as a consequence of Adam's sin.
But even though they swim in the sea of the untrained and unstudied, they love Jesus because He first loved them.
Might not God choose to credit their faith as righteousness and cause them to be born anew?
Their understanding of the Trinity is flawed
They do not know the difference in reference between Son of God and Son of Man
They do not know they were made sinners as a consequence of Adam's sin.
But even though they swim in the sea of the untrained and unstudied, they love Jesus because He first loved them.
Might not God choose to credit their faith as righteousness and cause them to be born anew?
37818
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In your Part 1 you start off with a false statement. "The gospel is not part of the New Testament." Nothing you say to justify your false argument can make that false statement true.
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37818
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Has the Son of God begotten before creation. And a light from light, is not the true light.
'Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters............... nor revilers nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.' 'Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are adultery, fornication...........drunkenness, revelries and the like, of which I tell you................that those who practise such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.'
'Yes, but I believed that Jesus is God and that I'm a sinner and all that other stuff!' 'Do not be deceived!'
'Yes, but I had the evangelist come and pray and lay hands on me!' 'Do not be deceived!'
Yes, but I got myself baptized and I'm a member of the church!' 'Do not be deceived!'
Yes, but @George Antonios told me........!' 'Do not be deceived!'
'In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practise righteousness is not of God, not is he who does not love his brother' (1 John 3:10). If someone is in Christ, born of God, he is a new creation; he cannot continue to live as he did before and if he does, that is an indication that he is not born of God. Romans 8:5-9 is helpful.
[In deference to @George Antonios' loopy hyper-Dispensationalism, I have not quoted from Matthew 7:21-23; 13:20-21; John 10:27-28 etc.]
Right, to be called a "Christian" one must ascribe to the TULIP, but Y1 never said non-Christians were not saved. Got it...
Van, as long as you promote a backwards understanding of "faith," we will not agree.
First, God must make a person alive with Christ (born anew). Then God will credit the faith He gave them as righteousness (because God is the one who established faith in them and God is righteous).
Van, you have it backwards. Accept your error and we can talk.
canadyjd
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You are combining two issues, at least.
The question of the op, as I understand it, is what are the most basic doctrinal beliefs of the Christian faith?
In other words, after salvation, what basic doctrine must be believed to be part of the “Christian” community (seen and unseen).
If the question is “what theological beliefs are required for a person to be saved?”, then the answer is different.
peace to you
Dave G
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The indwelling Holy Spirit of God.
While I believe that there are probably saved people within them, I don't believe that everyone who identifies with them is saved.
For example, I believe that there are some Roman Catholics that are saved;
But I do think that the more they study their Bibles, the more they will eventually realize that they don't belong in that institution.
Lol, maybe now you're getting a taste of how it feels to be pounced on by the mob, like Trump.
Here is the question: What doctrines need to be believed to be called Christian?
My answer was one must be born anew to be a Christian.
But according to the above, the question was what are the most basic doctrinal beliefs of the Christian faith.
Yes, I know, just because I find two holes in the end zone does not mean the goalposts have been moved.
Dave G
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" Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;" ( John 8:31 ).
" If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you." ( John 15:7 ).
" And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" ( Colossians 1:21-23 ).
Am I to understand that people who stop believing and fall away back into the world and its ways, denying Christ and Him being their Saviour...
are still saved ( "Once Saved, Always Saved" ), George?
I don't see that taught anywhere in God's word, sir.
Rather, I see the opposite:
" Love not the world, neither the things [that] are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." ( 1 John 2:15 ).
"If Saved, Always Saved".
I agree that believers can stumble into sin for a season, George, but someone who is truly born again cannot and will not continue in it ( Romans 6 ), because their spirit cannot abide by it ( Romans 7:14-25, Galatians 5:16-17 ).
The new nature in them will cry out against it, and the Lord will chastise them for it to get their attention back on Him ( Hebrews 12 ).
Please see the parables of the Sower and the Tares ( Matthew 13 ).
Not everyone who says, "I do" really does.
As I see it, that's the sobering part of what it is to be one of God's children...
and why we should examine ourselves, whether we be in the faith.
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Pay no attention to George's wacky brand of dispyism:
16 The law and the prophets were until John: from that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and every man entereth violently into it. Lu 16
Pay no attention to Mr. AustinC, he said I had not stated my beliefs, even after posting on my Doctrinal Thread. He claims being saved through or on the basis of faith does not by logical necessity mean our faith provided the basis of God choosing to save us.
Utter nonsense, repeated non-stop. He denies the people of Matthew 23:13 were seeking God. He denies Christ died as a ransom for all mankind. He denies we are saved through faith, that faith provides our access to the grace in which we stand. On and on folks, on and on...
Thanks for agreeing, God can credit the faith of those who love Him as righteousness, and place them into Christ spiritually, where they undergo the washing of regeneration.
George Antonios
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A) you provided no verse to prove that the gospels are part of the new testament
B) you've already made up your mind before hearing
George Antonios
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Discipleship and salvation are two different things. Peter lost his discipleship for a while (Mk.16:7) but not his salvation.
This is like confusing election to service and election to salvation.
Furthermore, everything before the cross is Old Testament (Heb.9:14-17).
context, context, context
George Antonios
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Precisely, that's not John's birth, that John's ministry, 30 years after the birth of Christ.
The NT doesn't begin at Christ's birth.
And that gospel Christ is referencing is the pre-cross gospel of the kingdom, not the post-cross gospel of the grace of God.
Hagar did not leave at Isaac's birth, only a few years later when he was weaned and the next chapter has Isaac dying in a figure of the cross.
And who is sufficient for these things? (2Co.2:16)
George Antonios
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inheriting the kingdom is not salvation, it's not entering the kingdom, it's inheriting.
We can lose our inheritance, not our salvation.
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