What Are Your Thoughts on Apparent Age

[Reformed1689]

Then tell us when in the past that ALL living creatures were vegetarians. You cannot.

Notice that everything on earth changed after the fall. You are looking at the world from a post-fall perspective and assuming that it was the same pre-fall.

 

[Reformed1689]

including events which take place AFTER Jesus returns at the Rapture.

No, this is incorrect and nothing to suggest that this is the case.

The entirety of the rest of the Bible from Genesis 2:4 to the end of Revelation "adds details" to the outline of the 7 Days/Ages of the Creation.

Again, there is no way you get this from what Scripture actually says.

That is WHY no one can explain WHY God would rest BEFORE His creation has been brought to perfection. God's rest is FUTURE to 2019.

He rested after the 6th day. The rest was only one day just like the other 6 days. These are not ages. They are literal days.

 

[BenWest]

No, this is incorrect and nothing to suggest that this is the case.

Is God STILL creating sinners into Christians? Of course He is or every preacher is just lying.

Again, there is no way you get this from what Scripture actually says.

No verse is of any private interpretation. My view is supported by the details contained in the entirety of the Bible.

He rested after the 6th day. The rest was only one day just like the other 6 days. These are not ages. They are literal days.

Genesis 2:2-3 clearly states that God rested from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. The Holy Spirit is God and He continues to work today to draw sinners to Christ. Jesus is God and He has gone to prepare a place for us. God The Father is also working since it takes the AGREEMENT of The Trinity to create a New creature in Christ according to Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16. IOW, God has NOT yet rested from ALL of His work of creating. Amen?

 

[Reformed1689]

Is God STILL creating sinners into Christians? Of course He is or every preacher is just lying.



No verse is of any private interpretation. My view is supported by the details contained in the entirety of the Bible.



Genesis 2:2-3 clearly states that God rested from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. The Holy Spirit is God and He continues to work today to draw sinners to Christ. Jesus is God and He has gone to prepare a place for us. God The Father is also working since it takes the AGREEMENT of The Trinity to create a New creature in Christ according to Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16. IOW, God has NOT yet rested from ALL of His work of creating. Amen?

Are you saying that the word rest means stop indefinitely? If I sit down and rest from my work does that mean I never start again? Your whole theory is stupid and absurd and NOT found in Scripture.

 

[BenWest]

Are you saying that the word rest means stop indefinitely? If I sit down and rest from my work does that mean I never start again? Your whole theory is stupid and absurd and NOT found in Scripture.

The word "rest" means to cease. God's work is creating and for God to rest is for God to cease creating. Now, read these verses:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them.

When God's work is finished, it is ALWAYS brought to perfection. Notice also that ALL of the host of Heaven is in Heaven. ALL of the host or inhabitants of Heaven are safely in Heaven, including the last Christian saved, a FUTURE event.

And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.

God ended His work of creating and He ceased from ALL of His work on the 7th Day.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

God rests or ceases to create from ALL of His work because His Heaven is now made perfect. God is not a man that He should get tired and need to rest. His rest is from creating because Heaven is complete and filled with His children. God continues to work and create today and will continue until His perfect Heaven is filled with His own who have freely chosen Him.

God wrote of the end of His perfect Heaven in the beginning.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

 

[Reformed1689]

The word "rest" means to cease. God's work is creating and for God to rest is for God to cease creating. Now, read these verses:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them.

When God's work is finished, it is ALWAYS brought to perfection. Notice also that ALL of the host of Heaven is in Heaven. ALL of the host or inhabitants of Heaven are safely in Heaven, including the last Christian saved, a FUTURE event.

And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.

God ended His work of creating and He ceased from ALL of His work on the 7th Day.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

God rests or ceases to create from ALL of His work because His Heaven is now made perfect. God is not a man that He should get tired and need to rest. His rest is from creating because Heaven is complete and filled with His children. God continues to work and create today and will continue until His perfect Heaven is filled with His own who have freely chosen Him.

God wrote of the end of His perfect Heaven in the beginning.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

He is not creating anything new. Creation is self-sustaining within the order that God created. He is not currently making new species, etc. He designed the created order and was finished with that work so he rested on the 7th day. It does NOT say he quit working indefinitely. That is a crazy idea you have come up with. But he was finished with creation after day 6.

 

[BenWest]

He is not creating anything new. Creation is self-sustaining within the order that God created. He is not currently making new species, etc. He designed the created order and was finished with that work so he rested on the 7th day. It does NOT say he quit working indefinitely. That is a crazy idea you have come up with. But he was finished with creation after day 6.

God said, Let US make man in OUR Image. God is a Spirit and creates man in Christ Spiritually. God's work of creating continuies:

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

It's WHY Jesus said that we MUST be born again. Can you explain HOW we become a New Creature in Christ apart from the Trinity? Of course not since it takes the agreement of US and OUR to create a New Eternal being. Amen?

 

[Reformed1689]

God said, Let US make man in OUR Image. God is a Spirit and creates man in Christ Spiritually. God's work of creating continuies:

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

It's WHY Jesus said that we MUST be born again. Can you explain HOW we become a New Creature in Christ apart from the Trinity? Of course not since it takes the agreement of US and OUR to create a New Eternal being. Amen?

You are mixing so many things together and merging things that are not to be merged to get your ridiculous theology. I'm done because you are a waste of time.

 

[37818]

Then please explain WHY God made 1 Heaven on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8

In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth. The first earth day God gave the earth light (I believe God caused our Sun to become the star that it now is).
The second earth day God called earth's sky heaven.

The universe being dated 13.8 billion years old is based on the theory called "the Big Bang." Taking the expanding universe backwards is the basis of the 13.8 billion years. The earth being dated 4.5 billion years is based on the dating of a space rock.

 

[InTheLight]

I think those carnival sideshow people that guess your age are creepy.

 

[BenWest]

In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth. The first earth day God gave the earth light (I believe God caused our Sun to become the star that it now is). The second earth day God called earth's sky heaven.

I believe that God made the heaven (Heb-air) and the earth (Heb-ground) before the 1st Day, but the ground/earth was without form and darkness or death was present upon the deep. Genesis 1:2 On the 1st Day, Jesus came forth from within the invisible God into the physical world. Otherwise, Jesus would not have the preeminence or first place in everything as the following verse shows:

Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church: Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ALL things He might have the preeminence. (Greek-first place).

Also, YHWH/Jesus would NOT have been present to make Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day, Genesis 1:9-10 to go into the firmament, which God called Heaven, on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8

Also, the prayer which Jesus prayed just before His crucifixion would make no sense:

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

Since the firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day Genesis 1:8, there was ONLY one Day before Adam's world/firmament, and that was on the 1st Day. Jesus IS the Light of the 1st Day. Genesis 1:3 He also told us that He is the Light of the present world Jhn 8:12 Jhn 9:5 and also the Light of the 3rd Heaven. Rev 21:23

Do you have any Scriptural evidence that our Sun was made on the 1st Day?

 

[37818]

Do you have any Scriptural evidence that our Sun was made on the 1st Day?

The Sun lights the earth giving us our days and nights.

Romans 10:17-18.

 

[BenWest]

The Sun lights the earth giving us our days and nights.

Amen, but Adam's Earth had no Sun, Moon nor Stars. It was made in the midst of Water with water above and below it AND it was totally destroyed in the flood. God calls it the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS and refers to our world as the "heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW".

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally) 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This agrees with Genesis 1:6-8 which shows that Adam's firmament was made the 2nd Day.
The present world and the 3rd Heaven were made on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4
The Sun, Moon and Stars were made on the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16 Science AGREES that it was long AFTER the beginning of our world until the FIRST Stars were formed.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com › news › 2018/02 › first-stars-univers...

 

[37818]

Amen, but Adam's Earth had no Sun, Moon nor Stars. It was made in the midst of Water with water above and below it AND it was totally destroyed in the flood. God calls it the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS and refers to our world as the "heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW".

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally) 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This agrees with Genesis 1:6-8 which shows that Adam's firmament was made the 2nd Day.
The present world and the 3rd Heaven were made on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4
The Sun, Moon and Stars were made on the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16 Science AGREES that it was long AFTER the beginning of our world until the FIRST Stars were formed.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com › news › 2018/02 › first-stars-univers...

Ok, you can be wrong if you want to. The sun has always given the earth its light. Psalms 74:16.

 

[Reformed1689]

Ok, you can be wrong if you want to. The sun has always given the earth its light. Psalms 74:16.

It didn't for the first three days.

 

[37818]

It didn't for the first three days.

I am of the opinion God made the Sun to give its first light on the first earth day. This new star's stellar wind took four days to blow the stellar dust past the earth so as to allow the Sun and Moon to appear as distinct lights in the Earth's sky on the fouth day. Today the mean velocity of the solar wind is about 310 miles a second. Taking about 3 1/2 days to reach Earth.

 

[Reformed1689]

I am of the opinion God made the Sun to give its first light on the first earth day. This new star's stellar wind took four days to blow the stellar dust past the earth so as to allow the Sun and Moon to appear as distinct lights in the Earth's sky on the fouth day. Today the mean velocity of the solar wind is about 310 miles a second. Taking about 3 1/2 days to reach Earth.

But that's not what Scripture says. It clearly states the sun was made on day 4.

 

[Shoostie]

I am of the opinion God made the Sun to give its first light on the first earth day. This new star's stellar wind took four days to blow the stellar dust past the earth so as to allow the Sun and Moon to appear as distinct lights in the Earth's sky on the fouth day. Today the mean velocity of the solar wind is about 310 miles a second. Taking about 3 1/2 days to reach Earth.

As noted, the the Bible says the sun was made on the fourth day, not anything long the lines that it only appeared to a non-existent observer on the 4th day. I don't believe a whole lot about creation can be concluded from a few verses in Genesis, but the alternative is believing that the universe appeared and expanded from smaller than a pea to practically its current size of 100 billion light years across (the visible portion) in literally a fraction of a single second.

 

[37818]

But that's not what Scripture says. It clearly states the sun was made on day 4.

Says no such thing. It is true though the Sun was one of two distinct lights on the fourth day.

 

[37818]

As noted, the the Bible says the sun was made on the fourth day, not anything long the lines that it only appeared to a non-existent observer on the 4th day. I don't believe a whole lot about creation can be concluded from a few verses in Genesis, but the alternative is believing that the universe appeared and expanded from smaller than a pea to practically its current size of 100 billion light years across (the visible portion) in literally a fraction of a single second.

Again the word of in that place teaches no such thing.