What Do You Believe about Demonic Instrumental Music?

[Aaron]

No, I am not saying anything about the instruments. You should carefully note what I just said here so that you will know not to bring up anything about musical instruments themselves.

Well, I noted you said INSTRUMENTAL music...

 

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Music is a human thing, not spiritual. Asking if God is pleased with it is the wrong question. Even when giving good things to our children, it is impossible to please God without faith. A better question is, is the music morally good or bad? It doesn't matter who played it or in what context it was used.

And that I can't tell you without hearing an example.

Not true. Music is not just a human thing. Asking if God is pleased with it is the ultimate question.

It absolutely matters who played it and in what context it was used.

Deuteronomy 12:29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; 30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

God has put certain realms of human endeavor completely off-limits to His people. Concerning what idolaters do after their gods, God has forbidden even inquiring about how the idolaters serve their gods. This applies to everything they do in their worship, including their instrumental music.

God forbids Christians from having anything to do with the music of idolaters. We are not to listen to it to see if it is good music or bad music. We are to reject it categorically and have no fellowship with all such unfruitful works of darkness.

Disobedience to categorical divine prohibitions about not going to certain wicked people and bringing anything of theirs, which includes their instrumental music, into our lives is a premier reason that we have the debacle in our world today.

 

[Aaron]

Not true. Music is not just a human thing. Asking if God is pleased with it is the ultimate question.

It absolutely matters who played it and in what context it was used.

Deuteronomy 12:29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; 30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

God has put certain realms of human endeavor completely off-limits to His people. Concerning what idolaters do after their gods, God has forbidden even inquiring about how the idolaters serve their gods. This applies to everything they do in their worship, including their instrumental music.

God forbids Christians from having anything to do with the music of idolaters. We are not to listen to it to see if it is good music or bad music. We are to reject it categorically and have no fellowship with all such unfruitful works of darkness.

Disobedience to categorical divine prohibitions about not going to certain wicked people and bringing anything of theirs, which includes their instrumental music, into our lives is a premier reason that we have the debacle in our world today.

And so give us an example of music that God is pleased with, and tell us, precisely, what it is about it that pleases God.

 

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And so give us an example of music that God is pleased with, and tell us, precisely, what it is about it that pleases God.

Wrong questions. That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about demonic instrumental music, what it is, why it must be rejected, etc.

No human being has the ability to musicologically analyze demonic instrumental music and definitively explain what is evil about it, etc. God has not authorized such analysis. He forbids any contact with it.

God demands that all music of certain evil people, including idolaters, be categorically rejected.

 

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God also has put the occult totally off-limits to His people. Any music of the practitioners of the occult is to be rejected completely. Believers are not obligated to listen to any of it to explain why it is evil, and they are forbidden from doing so, and they are incapable of analyzing it musicologically to determine why it is evil. We must rid our lives of all such music.

 

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We also have many testimonies from musicians who have said that their music is demonic. For example,

"Rock has always been the devil's music... I believe that rock & roll is dangerous... I feel that we're only heralding something even darker than ourselves."

Based on such testimonies, Christians are to reject rock music and all of its derivatives, etc.

Had Christians obeyed God and rejected this music completely from the beginning of its being brought into the Church, we would not have the problems with music that we have now in so many of our churches.

 

[Aaron]

Nebuchadnezzar used "all kinds of music", even music of the psaltery and harp in the worship of the big idol he set up. Does that render all kinds of music evil?

 

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Nebuchadnezzar used "all kinds of music", even music of the psaltery and harp in the worship of the big idol he set up. Does that render all kinds of music evil?

There is considerable dispute about what that phrase means. If it means "all kinds of music" in the sense that you are talking about, that does not render all of it evil because we know with certainty that he himself did not originate all kinds of music while he was under demonic influence.

Using something good that God Himself has made (some kinds of music) to do evil is not the same thing as originating under demonic influence something that is evil (some other kinds of music).

 

[Aaron]

There is considerable dispute about what that phrase means. If it means "all kinds of music" in the sense that you are talking about, that does not render all of it evil because we know with certainty that he himself did not originate all kinds of music while he was under demonic influence.

Using something good that God Himself has made (some kinds of music) to do evil is not the same thing as originating under demonic influence something that is evil (some other kinds of music).

So pagans can use good music in their worship of devils. The Greeks did it all the time. An hymn is a particular style and 'hymn' is a Greek word. And Paul commends hymns to the Ephesians. Hymns to God, of course. Not hymns to Apollo or Zeus.

That's the point. The music must be judged on its own merits, not on its supposed source.

But nothing originates with the Devil. All things originated with Christ.

All things.

The Devil was made by Christ and for Him.

And all the devil can do is pervert something. So a demonic tune, would by definition, have to be something that perverts the natural modes and progressions and hierarchies in music as we know it here in earth, because music is a human thing.

 

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So pagans can use good music in their worship of devils. The Greeks did it all the time. An hymn is a particular style and 'hymn' is a Greek word. And Paul commends hymns to the Ephesians. Hymns to God, of course. Not hymns to Apollo or Zeus.

That's the point. The music must be judged on its own merits, not on its supposed source.

But nothing originates with the Devil. All things originated with Christ.

All things.

The Devil was made by Christ and for Him.

And all the devil can do is pervert something. So a demonic tune, would by definition, have to be something that perverts the natural modes and progressions and hierarchies in music as we know it here in earth, because music is a human thing.

Regardless of what Neb. did or did not do, God forbids His people from going to certain evil people and having anything to do with what they do in their evil practices. There is no biblical justification for going to such wicked people and bringing their music into the worship of God.

We are not to judge their music on its supposed own merit. We are not to have anything to do with it. We are not to listen to it, analyze it, or anything else.

We are commanded to have "no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness" (Eph. 5:11). You do not get to say that instrumental music is an exception to this divine mandate.

I do not believe that all things originated with Christ. Christ did not originate pornography. He did not originate child sacrifice, bestiality, etc.

Scripture says that there are reprobate human beings who "invent evil things" (Rom. 1:32). That is God's Word. God is not the originator of any of those evil things.

There is no basis to say that does not apply to instrumental music.

No, music is not just a human thing. You explain away Scripture that teaches that angels produce music. I reject that handling of Scripture.

 

[Aaron]

I do not believe that all things originated with Christ.

I know. You subscribe some kind of creative power to the Devil, and he has none.

Christ did not originate pornography.

He created sex, and porn is a perversion of that.

He did not originate child sacrifice, bestiality, etc.

All of these things are perversions of things that Christ made.

Scripture says that there are reprobate human beings who "invent evil things" (Rom. 1:32).

Meaning they pervert things. There is nothing new under the sun.

There is no basis to say that does not apply to instrumental music.

Something that can be discerned with our senses is of this world.

No, music is not just a human thing. You explain away Scripture that teaches that angels produce music. I reject that handling of Scripture.

I've said nothing about music in heaven. I know this by the Scriptures, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

If it can be perceived with the ear, it's of this world, and for man.

 

[Lodic]

God also has put the occult totally off-limits to His people. Any music of the practitioners of the occult is to be rejected completely. Believers are not obligated to listen to any of it to explain why it is evil, and they are forbidden from doing so, and they are incapable of analyzing it musicologically to determine why it is evil. We must rid our lives of all such music.

How do we know which music is occult? Most of us have never participated in any kind of occultic practices, so we don't know anything about the music they play. I know that we shouldn't listen to music that glorifies Satan and demons, or to music that attacks or mocks God and the Bible. Beyond that, is there some type of test that we are to apply?

 

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How do we know which music is occult? Most of us have never participated in any kind of occultic practices, so we don't know anything about the music they play. I know that we shouldn't listen to music that glorifies Satan and demons, or to music that attacks or mocks God and the Bible. Beyond that, is there some type of test that we are to apply?

Voodoo is an evil occult practice. Voodoo music is music that must be rejected completely. Music derived from it must be rejected completely.

If you study the history of much of our popular music of our day, you will find that much of it either has its origins in voodoo music or has been influenced by voodoo musicians or is sourced in other occult practices.

 

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Something that can be discerned with our senses is of this world.

I've said nothing about music in heaven. I know this by the Scriptures, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

If it can be perceived with the ear, it's of this world, and for man.

Sorry, you are wrong. At Sinai, the people heard the sound of the trumpet emanating from the mount. We know with certainty that there were no humans anywhere on the mount who were playing that trumpet.

Exodus 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Exodus 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

A supernatural being, either God Himself or an angel sounded that trumpet on that occasion. That was not music made by any human.

Moreover, we know that was not just metaphorical language. The Spirit says that it was sound produced by a trumpet.

Music is not just a human thing.

 

[Lodic]

Voodoo is an evil occult practice. Voodoo music is music that must be rejected completely. Music derived from it must be rejected completely.

If you study the history of much of our popular music of our day, you will find that much of it either has its origins in voodoo music or has been influenced by voodoo musicians or is sourced in other occult practices.

A quick internet search shows that Blues Music has Hoodoo roots. However, it seems that a lot of Blues music has nothing to do with voodoo. On another note, even the music of some popular hymns had their roots in tavern songs. Aside from a lot of research, wouldn't you have to listen to the lyrics to judge the nature of the song? I apply that standard to a lot of secular music, especially where it's pretty obvious they are crass or un-Godly at best. Rock can be rebellious, but Country Music's "drinking and cheating" songs are no better.

 

[Aaron]

Sorry, you are wrong. At Sinai, the people heard the sound of the trumpet emanating from the mount. We know with certainty that there were no humans anywhere on the mount who were playing that trumpet.

Exodus 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Exodus 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

A supernatural being, either God Himself or an angel sounded that trumpet on that occasion. That was not music made by any human.

Moreover, we know that was not just metaphorical language. The Spirit says that it was sound produced by a trumpet.

Music is not just a human thing.

I give up. God's manifestations in time past are not His nature. He is not a pillar of cloud. He is not a pillar of fire. And He doesn't care for trumpets.

If the ear heard it, it's not what is in store for us.

And, btw, a trumpet blast is not music anymore than a car horn.

 

[Aaron]

...music...

Voodoo music...

...popular music....

...rock music and all of its derivatives...

Careful, you're stepping into musicology. Contrary to your own assertions, you will have to describe the distinguishing characteristics of these things that you must avoid.

 

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Careful, you're stepping into musicology. Contrary to your own assertions, you will have to describe the distinguishing characteristics of these things that you must avoid.

Not at all. Whatever is of the occult is to be rejected categorically--not analyzed. In addition to information about the occult nature of the music, we have plenty of testimonies about such instrumental music being demonic music.

You can immerse yourself in musicology to your heart's content. God never says that analyzing music is the necessary gold standard for knowing what pleases Him and what does not.

 

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A quick internet search shows that Blues Music has Hoodoo roots. However, it seems that a lot of Blues music has nothing to do with voodoo. On another note, even the music of some popular hymns had their roots in tavern songs. Aside from a lot of research, wouldn't you have to listen to the lyrics to judge the nature of the song? I apply that standard to a lot of secular music, especially where it's pretty obvious they are crass or un-Godly at best. Rock can be rebellious, but Country Music's "drinking and cheating" songs are no better.

It does not matter what it seems to have to do with; it is of voodoo music--it is to be rejected.

No, it is not true that the music of some of our popular hymns had their roots in tavern songs. That is a false claim that has been refuted.

There are other valid reasons to reject instrumental music, including the content of any lyrics that it may be used to accompany. Those things are not the subject of this thread.

 

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I give up. God's manifestations in time past are not His nature. He is not a pillar of cloud. He is not a pillar of fire. And He doesn't care for trumpets.

If the ear heard it, it's not what is in store for us.

And, btw, a trumpet blast is not music anymore than a car horn.

God's use of trumpets is not just in time past (1 Thess. 4:16-17, etc).

I do not know what you are saying in your second sentence.

As for your claim that a trumpet blast is not music, there is no Scripture that says that music is such and such but not such and such.

The Spirit says the following:

Corinthians 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

The only way that you can claim the sound of the trumpet at Sinai was not music is to show that only one note was played and held for the entire period. Good luck with showing that was true.

Furthermore, Reveille is used as a signal and it certainly is music and is taught to music students as music to play.