Thinkingstuff
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Its a characteristic of God which is inhereted because we are made in his image. Note Matt's post.
As verses go I'll show you some.
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Its a characteristic of God which is inhereted because we are made in his image. Note Matt's post.
As verses go I'll show you some.
I dont see anything stating Free Will
Thinkingstuff
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You couldn't help it! You were selected to do these evil things before the creation of the universe! You have no responsibility in this. Adam took that decision away from you already. Might as well live it up now because you may not be elected in which case you're going to burn. And if your elected there's no way you're going to loose salvation so might as well have fun.
I was kidding. EW&F is still my peep. I respect his opinion.
Thinkingstuff
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Its all about choice. Free will doesn't have to appear for choice to be true. Just like you won't find Trinity in the scriptures. And I didn't really say anything about free will. I said the result of being made in the image of God was
When we were made in the image of God we don't look like him. But we were given a living spirit which has certain apects to it and some of those I mentioned.
Now you got me confused ... who wants the hooker .... Matt or you :tongue3:
There has got to be a way we get together for a few... Kegs:thumbsup:
Oh here we are ... the old robot or puppet BS again.....Tell me if it were Christ who was your puppet master, would that be so bad?
Thinkingstuff
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Yeah, I'm thinking of how to sell that one to my wife. I don't thing the doctrine of election would work however.
Red Herring, none of those are moral agents.
Many, but I somehow think you will not believe them, so I will leave you with one, Acts. 17:26-27
"let us reason together says the Lord..."
Did God decree you would use vulgar slang, or did you do that of your own free will?
Come on guy...you expect me to take a British Lawyer (Gad knows what there like) & a Pennsy 
Government bureaucrat seriously? :laugh::laugh:
Government bureaucrat seriously? :laugh::laugh:
Hold over from Marines jackwagon
Why not just answer the question butterscotch?
I love when people argue about free will and free agency.
Let me ask you something: because you have the ability to make a choice between two or more options, does that mean you are open to these options? Allow me to explain.
Let's say you go to a restaurant and being looking at the menu. You'll have many choices and the ability as a man to choose between these various choices. Obviously you have free will. I have just one question though: do you like everything on the menu? Another: do you have an equal taste for them all? Of course not, you have preferences. So do I. I love spaghetti. I strongly dislike livers. Bring me a plate of each and I'll tell you which one I'll choose every time. Bring me the livers, and I'll go without every time. I'm sure you are the same way with various foods. It doesn't mean you don't have the natural ability to choose between various options, it means you have preferences. You have likes and dislikes, and things you downright cannot stand.
The bible says the natural man has a very strong preference against Jesus Christ. The world hates Him. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. The carnal mind is emnity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. The wicked through the pride of his countenance will not seek God. That doesn't mean natural man is without free will, that he is a robot, that he is merely acting out his programming. What it means is that natural man cannot stand Jesus Christ and will not come to Him, in much the same manner that I will not eat livers.
Consider the state of affairs in this country right now. The media villifies Christianity, which is a religion that preaches peace, love towards ones enemies, not recompensing evil for evil, honoring your wife, etc. The same media loves Islam, a religion that preaches converting at the end of a sword, that says a husband can do anything with his wife, that says non-Muslims don't mean anything, any means to an end, etc. It doesn't make a lick of sense. Well, the decision of the Jews to take a murderer over Jesus Christ didn't make a lick of sense either. That is unless one believes what the bible said about natural man, and then it does make sense. He will take anything over Christ.
Let me ask you something: because you have the ability to make a choice between two or more options, does that mean you are open to these options? Allow me to explain.
Let's say you go to a restaurant and being looking at the menu. You'll have many choices and the ability as a man to choose between these various choices. Obviously you have free will. I have just one question though: do you like everything on the menu? Another: do you have an equal taste for them all? Of course not, you have preferences. So do I. I love spaghetti. I strongly dislike livers. Bring me a plate of each and I'll tell you which one I'll choose every time. Bring me the livers, and I'll go without every time. I'm sure you are the same way with various foods. It doesn't mean you don't have the natural ability to choose between various options, it means you have preferences. You have likes and dislikes, and things you downright cannot stand.
The bible says the natural man has a very strong preference against Jesus Christ. The world hates Him. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. The carnal mind is emnity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. The wicked through the pride of his countenance will not seek God. That doesn't mean natural man is without free will, that he is a robot, that he is merely acting out his programming. What it means is that natural man cannot stand Jesus Christ and will not come to Him, in much the same manner that I will not eat livers.
Consider the state of affairs in this country right now. The media villifies Christianity, which is a religion that preaches peace, love towards ones enemies, not recompensing evil for evil, honoring your wife, etc. The same media loves Islam, a religion that preaches converting at the end of a sword, that says a husband can do anything with his wife, that says non-Muslims don't mean anything, any means to an end, etc. It doesn't make a lick of sense. Well, the decision of the Jews to take a murderer over Jesus Christ didn't make a lick of sense either. That is unless one believes what the bible said about natural man, and then it does make sense. He will take anything over Christ.
Wrong again ...the trogs question is......Its a real sin:laugh:
Now you got your wife answering for you.....but stick & stones.....put it together jack
Besides I dont reason with free er agents....we go to different churches you understand......doctrinal differences and all that.
Funny you cannot answer your own dilemma.
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