I hope that Labour get their act together and act like a credible oposition. While it is good to have a government with a working majority, we also need to have an opposition to call them to account from time to time.
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Neither have the same type of total political power that the real Caesar had. Nice try, but your comparison is bogus.
The Papacy had a strangle lock over most of Europe till the reformation, and much of it after that. Its power was greater than pagan Rome as it strangle hold was greater than pagan Rome because it was Religious as well as regal. Imperial Rome didn't care what people worshipped. Papal Rome imposed total rule over the nations under its control, allowing no other god but its bread god.
That was then, we are in the now as are those coins you referenced. The Pope has little political power at this point and no armies either.
You know, you remind me of Ian Paisley, that firebrand Protestant politician from Northern Ireland who absolutely hated the Papacy like you do now. It was only when his body was failing and he was coming close to his end did he repent of his vileness. You can do the same and think of how much more it would be received by Our Lord by you not being in your last days. Repent brother, hatred does no one any good.
I don't hate. I am just quoting history and the bible. The papacy had the power taken from them in 1870, oddly, the same time as the same time he declared himself infallible. They have never repented of their vile murders and actually said in the past if they got the power they would bo it again. They cannot repent because they don't believe they have done anything wrong. They say "We don't persecute saints, we only persecute heretics and we have a perfect right to persecute them. Remember, the motto of Rome is Semper Edem. Ever the same.
Rome is relatively quiet now because she is getting what she wants by stealth, through the apostate Churches together and other organisisations.
Talking about Ian Paisley. We had a RC Irish carpenter doing some work in our office once. I asked what he thought about Ian Paisley. He said: "I don't like him, but I will tell you one thing, he wouldn't get elected if some Catholics didn't vote for him."
At a rally in NI, Paisley was addressing a crowd, a reporter said to him "On the other side of the park, your loyalist supporters are stoning the police." Paisley replied. They are not my supporters, it I was over there they would be stoning me. I have many bullet holes in my house, they were not put there by the IRA, but the Loyalists.
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He has great political power at present and it is not long since that his Nazi armies took most of Europe. After the war the Roman church smuggled out many of those who had committed war crimes, such as Eichman and Borman. Another war criminal, von Pappen, was got off from the Nuremburg trials due to papal pressure. After the war he was made the Pope's Chamberlain.
Here is some information on the Vienam war. USA were the popes agents in the war.
Vietnam why did we go?
Vietnam why did we go?
The Protestant Christian arguments for Brexit seems to be -
Europe is dominated by Rome, so we should not be in the EU;
Revelation predicts a revived Roman empire led by the Papacy;
Britain is a protestant country so we should maintain an independent sovereignty;
The EU makes laws adverse to British interests;
Being in the EU costs money we should be spending at home, e.g. on the NHS.
The is a move towards a one-world government, as predicted in Revelation, & the EU is a step in that direction;
Brexit will be good for rich people & organisations;
We can control our borders & keep immigrants out, especially coloured & non-Christian.
Revelation predicts a revived Roman empire led by the Papacy;
Britain is a protestant country so we should maintain an independent sovereignty;
The EU makes laws adverse to British interests;
Being in the EU costs money we should be spending at home, e.g. on the NHS.
The is a move towards a one-world government, as predicted in Revelation, & the EU is a step in that direction;
Brexit will be good for rich people & organisations;
We can control our borders & keep immigrants out, especially coloured & non-Christian.
My [Gospel Christian] arguments anti-Brexit -
Breaking with Rome, becoming Protestant, did not give Gospel freedom;
The Protestant state churches continued to persecute independent baptist Christians;
The circulation & reading of the Scriptures resulted on Gospel freedom despite England becoming Protestant;
The Gospel is for ALL nations, & Christians are scattered through all nations. The EU allows free movement & Gospel support;
Free trade & movement are beneficial, and enhance peace & international cooperation;
European countries have been at war for 1,000 years - lets have peace & unity;
We need the contribution EU citizens make to health care, agriculture & other services;
We need the continued free trading arrangements on which our industries & services depend;
We will lose finance & trade & become poorer;
We will be increasingly dependent on the USA & China who will not be facing EU competition in dealing with us;
The NHS & health care will cost more;
Poor, sick & elderly people will suffer;
We will be in a better position to welcome immigrants & accept the contribution they make.
The Protestant state churches continued to persecute independent baptist Christians;
The circulation & reading of the Scriptures resulted on Gospel freedom despite England becoming Protestant;
The Gospel is for ALL nations, & Christians are scattered through all nations. The EU allows free movement & Gospel support;
Free trade & movement are beneficial, and enhance peace & international cooperation;
European countries have been at war for 1,000 years - lets have peace & unity;
We need the contribution EU citizens make to health care, agriculture & other services;
We need the continued free trading arrangements on which our industries & services depend;
We will lose finance & trade & become poorer;
We will be increasingly dependent on the USA & China who will not be facing EU competition in dealing with us;
The NHS & health care will cost more;
Poor, sick & elderly people will suffer;
We will be in a better position to welcome immigrants & accept the contribution they make.
Put simply, I'm all in favour of friendly cooperation rather than barriers.
There is an increasing element of racism in society, which resulted in that massive election victory for the arch racist Johnson.
By accusing a consistent antiracist Corbyn of antisemitism, because of his support for justice for the Palestinian people the media gave a totally distorted picture.
Pro-Israel, Zionists accused Corbyn of being against Jewish people in the UK, & made undocumented accusations of personal attacks. Many Jews, (non-Zionists) are staunch supports of Corbyn.
The result will be increased cooperation with the strongly Zionist USA & persecution for Gospel Christians & Palestinians.
Israel as a nation has no support in the teaching of Jesus & the Apostles. All peoples are one through the Gospel or one through the rejection of the Gospel.
There is an increasing element of racism in society, which resulted in that massive election victory for the arch racist Johnson.
By accusing a consistent antiracist Corbyn of antisemitism, because of his support for justice for the Palestinian people the media gave a totally distorted picture.
Pro-Israel, Zionists accused Corbyn of being against Jewish people in the UK, & made undocumented accusations of personal attacks. Many Jews, (non-Zionists) are staunch supports of Corbyn.
The result will be increased cooperation with the strongly Zionist USA & persecution for Gospel Christians & Palestinians.
Israel as a nation has no support in the teaching of Jesus & the Apostles. All peoples are one through the Gospel or one through the rejection of the Gospel.
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Russia suffered most losses in WW2. She is terrified of a resergent Germany. She says that she was promised that when he USSR broke up that NATO would not move up to her borders. She said that the west broke that promise. She sees the EU as a resurgent Germany which is why there was all that trouble in Ukraine, when they applied to join the EU. They featred NATO would move to Ukraine and they would lose the Crimean ports for their fleet there. It was quite unsderstandable that she annexed Crimea. It was given to Ukraine by Kruschev. If we stay in the EU, we will have to be part of a European army, That is more likely to lead to a war with Russia than prevent it. Corbyn promised to cut out army, but if we are part of the EU army he would most likely have had to increase it.
The Gospel doesn't need free movement for the gospel to flourish. God prepared the way long before our Lord swalked the earth. Beginning with Alexander the Great, God used him and his successors to introduce a language which was spoken by much of the free world, then in our part of the world, much Latin. Now he has intoduced English as a world language, which is the main channel for spreading the gospel in much of the world.
The second thing God planned was the Roman Empire, It introduce a certain amount of free travel, but mainly roads. Many of our main roads today are based on the Roman road network. On the continent they also have many roads. Roads were a great aid to the gospel in spreading the gospel. Now we have air travel, and sea travel.
Even before the war there was travel. My wife's parents travelled abroad widely before the war, visiting South of France, Switzerland, Germany, Austria and even Russia. Kay still has their old passports with a swastika stamp as they crossed the border into Austria. The travelled by train in all those journeys.
The gospel has been spreading faster in places where there is little freedom of movement such as China.
Lastly, I didn't mention Revelation, but Daniel.
Brexit may be good for other British industries, certainly for the fisherman.
My Friend Gilbert McAdam was a missionary in the Philipines for a number years. When he returned to the UK for six months to get the adoption of his daughter ratified, he was offered the choice of three temporary pastorates, one of which was in Wick in Scotland. The last place he wanted to go was Wick, but when he got all the paperwork he needed, the other two churches had found full time pastors. So he went to Wick. It was a little Baptist church which had formerly been a fishermans mission. Because of the EU fish quotas tyhe fishermen were long gone.
Day One has a book about this mission. It seems the fishermen followed the herrings down the east cast of Scotlan and |England and the wives followed the husbans down the coast processing the herrings, At some time a number of the fishermen received the gospel and the Harbour Mission Church was formed, These fishermen spread the gospel spread the gospel over the North of Scotland and down the east coast of Scotland and England. Then came the Common Fishery Policy. The quatas meant there was not enough fish for them to land, so the fishing port closed, and the missio closed. When Gilbert returned to Manila, where he pastored a mainly Chines church, he thought he had seen the last of wick. The Church was now The Harbour Mission Baptist Church. It had 5 elderly women members who were keen on the gospel and kept the church alive. The morning sevice had about 5 or sa attending but 15 or more in the evening as they were the only church in the town that had amorning service.
Then Gilbert got a call to pastor that church, and so he is now back in Wick, the place he never wanted to go.
The EU didn't aid the gospel in that case.
The Gospel doesn't need free movement for the gospel to flourish. God prepared the way long before our Lord swalked the earth. Beginning with Alexander the Great, God used him and his successors to introduce a language which was spoken by much of the free world, then in our part of the world, much Latin. Now he has intoduced English as a world language, which is the main channel for spreading the gospel in much of the world.
The second thing God planned was the Roman Empire, It introduce a certain amount of free travel, but mainly roads. Many of our main roads today are based on the Roman road network. On the continent they also have many roads. Roads were a great aid to the gospel in spreading the gospel. Now we have air travel, and sea travel.
Even before the war there was travel. My wife's parents travelled abroad widely before the war, visiting South of France, Switzerland, Germany, Austria and even Russia. Kay still has their old passports with a swastika stamp as they crossed the border into Austria. The travelled by train in all those journeys.
The gospel has been spreading faster in places where there is little freedom of movement such as China.
Lastly, I didn't mention Revelation, but Daniel.
Brexit may be good for other British industries, certainly for the fisherman.
My Friend Gilbert McAdam was a missionary in the Philipines for a number years. When he returned to the UK for six months to get the adoption of his daughter ratified, he was offered the choice of three temporary pastorates, one of which was in Wick in Scotland. The last place he wanted to go was Wick, but when he got all the paperwork he needed, the other two churches had found full time pastors. So he went to Wick. It was a little Baptist church which had formerly been a fishermans mission. Because of the EU fish quotas tyhe fishermen were long gone.
Day One has a book about this mission. It seems the fishermen followed the herrings down the east cast of Scotlan and |England and the wives followed the husbans down the coast processing the herrings, At some time a number of the fishermen received the gospel and the Harbour Mission Church was formed, These fishermen spread the gospel spread the gospel over the North of Scotland and down the east coast of Scotland and England. Then came the Common Fishery Policy. The quatas meant there was not enough fish for them to land, so the fishing port closed, and the missio closed. When Gilbert returned to Manila, where he pastored a mainly Chines church, he thought he had seen the last of wick. The Church was now The Harbour Mission Baptist Church. It had 5 elderly women members who were keen on the gospel and kept the church alive. The morning sevice had about 5 or sa attending but 15 or more in the evening as they were the only church in the town that had amorning service.
Then Gilbert got a call to pastor that church, and so he is now back in Wick, the place he never wanted to go.
The EU didn't aid the gospel in that case.
evenifigoalone
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So, I've been calling myself a Libertarian in spite of my fiscal views shifting, but I took a political alignment test last night. And I lasted slightly left of center. So I guess I'm not a Libertarian proper anymore. There's much about the Libertarian party I still identify with, but my economical views are taking a turn for the left....while still wanting the government to have as little power as realistically feasible..... So I no longer know what I am politically
Well, you'd make a lousy Leftist with that attitude!
evenifigoalone
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It's a matter of hope much government you think is necessary. I'd prefer little to no government reach outside of protecting it's citizens, but I do think some regulations and stuff is necessary.
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In the NT, Christians are encouraged to recognise the governing powers, pay taxes & live in peace with all people. Rom. 13, 1 Peter 2. That of course does not mean disregarding God's laws. We live as Gospel Christians.
Nor does it mean acquiescing with unjust laws & actions by the government. My membership of the Labour party is because I am concerned that many people are suffering poverty & homelessness, even families being evicted from uncontrolled private tenancies.
God's enduring concern for justice for the poor & weak is clear -
There are many Christians & people of other religions suffering for their faith under governments that promote the official religion or atheism.
One man I am concerned about is Julian Assange, who is suffering a harsh regime in prison in the UK for no crimes, under threat of extradition for exposing US government & military crimes.
Nor does it mean acquiescing with unjust laws & actions by the government. My membership of the Labour party is because I am concerned that many people are suffering poverty & homelessness, even families being evicted from uncontrolled private tenancies.
God's enduring concern for justice for the poor & weak is clear -
Micah 2:Woe to those who plan iniquity,
to those who plot evil on their beds!
At morning’s light they carry it out
because it is in their power to do it.
2 They covet fields and seize them,
and houses, and take them.
They defraud people of their homes,
they rob them of their inheritance.
6:8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
Psalm 41:1 Blessed are those who have regard for the weak;
the Lord delivers them in times of trouble.
146:7 He upholds the cause of the oppressed
and gives food to the hungry.
The Lord sets prisoners free,
8 the Lord gives sight to the blind,
the Lord lifts up those who are bowed down,
the Lord loves the righteous.
9 The Lord watches over the foreigner
and sustains the fatherless and the widow,
but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.
God clearly favours a system that assists the poor & weak.to those who plot evil on their beds!
At morning’s light they carry it out
because it is in their power to do it.
2 They covet fields and seize them,
and houses, and take them.
They defraud people of their homes,
they rob them of their inheritance.
6:8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
Psalm 41:1 Blessed are those who have regard for the weak;
the Lord delivers them in times of trouble.
146:7 He upholds the cause of the oppressed
and gives food to the hungry.
The Lord sets prisoners free,
8 the Lord gives sight to the blind,
the Lord lifts up those who are bowed down,
the Lord loves the righteous.
9 The Lord watches over the foreigner
and sustains the fatherless and the widow,
but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.
There are many Christians & people of other religions suffering for their faith under governments that promote the official religion or atheism.
One man I am concerned about is Julian Assange, who is suffering a harsh regime in prison in the UK for no crimes, under threat of extradition for exposing US government & military crimes.
Assange has an extradition warrant against him and the authorities have to follow the law.
We have an extradition warrant against an American woman Anne Sacoolas, who alledgedly killed a motor cyclist, Harry Dunn, while driving on the wrong side of the road outside a US base. She has been charged with dangerous driving, and an extradition request has been lodged. Harry's family wanted her to be charged with careless driving, a less serious offence. If she returns she could plead guilty to the less seriou offnce and I should thingk that would be accepted. Thde family don't want her jailed, they say. We will see what happens,.
From Sky News
Now that Anne Sacoolas has been charged, is there any chance of her coming back to the UK to face jail?
If she does not do so voluntarily, British authorities have the option to extradite her.
Extradition requests follow clearly defined rules.
The UK would now be expected to take the next step, sending an extradition request to the US State Department via the British embassy in Washington.
The State Department then must determine whether that request conforms with the 2003 Extradition Treaty that the UK and US negotiated to formalise the process.
Only then does a politician get involved.
The State Department lawyer will be looking for two things in particular:
- Does the request include "such information as would provide a reasonable basis to believe that the person sought committed the offence for which extradition is requested".
- And is there a probable cause to justify the request.
That sounds close to anarchism.
evenifigoalone
Well-Known Member
Libertarianism is considered to be related to anarchy.
But in my case, I've drifted to the point where I believe that more regulation than what the right tends to want to tolerate, is necessary. Apparently. Even though I prefer it kept to a minimum, my idea of the minimum is apparently different than what it used to be.
His "crime" is exposing crime by the military authorities. They invent laws retrospectively. He should be free. His treatment by the authorities amount to torture.
There are laws designed to protect individuals - even prisoners - and these are being flouted by action against a journalist who has not been convicted of any crime.
See this report by Australian doctors.
Assange may be off topic, but is a clear example of action by authorities embarrassed by the truth.
Should we as Christians accept that governments are free to make laws to protect their own interests? Never! What Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" he didn't wait for an answer, but authorised the murder of truth personified.
As we read in Acts
Notice v. 29. But you insist "the authorities have to follow the law." Whose law? Man's or God's?
Should we as Christians accept that governments are free to make laws to protect their own interests? Never! What Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" he didn't wait for an answer, but authorised the murder of truth personified.
As we read in Acts
Acts 4:16 ‘What are we going to do with these men?’ they asked. ‘Everyone living in Jerusalem knows they have performed a notable sign, and we cannot deny it. 17 But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn them to speak no longer to anyone in this name.’
But they did try to silence the truth, so Peter, quoting David prayed -
Acts 4:24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:
‘“Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together against the Lord
and against his anointed one.”
27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. 29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.’
‘“Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together against the Lord
and against his anointed one.”
27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. 29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.’
Notice v. 29. But you insist "the authorities have to follow the law." Whose law? Man's or God's?
I think Assange should be free, but we should follow the law. In what way is it torture?
I also think we should close that US base till Sacoolas is returned to face trial.
I also think we should close that US base till Sacoolas is returned to face trial.